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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It?

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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (103670)4/27/2011 3:18:54 PM
From: CF Rebel7 Recommendations   of 224749
 
A natural born citizen is any person born in the US.

That's pretty sloppy for a lawyer. Please give a reference for that opinion.

The following items are reference for the argument that Obama is what is known as a native born citizen.

Before the Constitution the closest reference we have to Natural Born Citizen is from the legal treatise “the Law of Nations,” written by Emerich de Vattel in 1758. In book one chapter 19, § 212. Of the citizens and natives.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”


birthers.org

In 1916, Pres. Woodrow Wilson's challenger was argued to not have been a natural born citizen. Breckinridge Long, a democrat and member of the St. Louis bar wrote an essay in the Chicago Legal News demonstrating the difference between natural and native born citizens. A couple of excerpts (but do read the whole thing):

It is not disputed that Mr. Hughes is not a citizen of the United States, but if he had the right to elect, he must have had something to choose between. He was native born because he was born in this country, and he is now a native born citizen because he is now a citizen of this country; but, had he been a “natural born” citizen, he would not have had the right to choose between this country and England; he would have had nothing to choose between; he would have owed his sole allegiance to the government of the United States, and there would have been no possible question, whether he found himself in the United States or in any other country in the world, that he would be called upon to show allegiance to any Government but that of the United States."

"It was originally proposed in the Constitutional Convention that the presidential qualifications be a “citizen of the United States.” It was so reported to the Convention, by the Committee which had it in charge, on the 22nd day of August, 1787. It was again referred to a Committee, and the qualification clause was changed to read “natural born citizen,” and was so reported out of Committee on September the 4th, 1787, and adopted in the Constitution. There is no record of debates upon the subject, but the Federalist contains a contemporary comment on it written by Alexander Hamilton. It reads: “Nothing was more to be desired, than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of Republican government, might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one quarter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union?” (Federalist, LXVIII.)"


thepostemail.com

The relevance of those two paragraphs play right into the wheelhouse of Obama's past. Obama's life story is one of constant influence if not outright indoctrination of political direction that is anathema to American values of individual and national sovereignty, property rights and free markets. The people he has surrounded himself with have his alien values and he has insulted the British and other foreign friends at every turn. Obama's history was anticipated by the Founding Fathers since they knew that a president with foreign values would act against the best interests of the United States. This usurpation is one of Obama's personal successes.

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