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Politics : Canadian Political Free-for-All
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To: h_ who wrote (35870)7/29/2025 2:59:51 PM
From: Alastair McIntosh  Read Replies (2) of 37763
 
Yes, the graph I posted was specific for COVIID deaths. Deaths caused by the COVID vaccine is a different discussion. It is difficult to find much reliable information on this. If you have some reliable data on this I would be interested in reading it. In any case I'm through with this.

I asked: What was the non-COVID death rate caused by COVID vaccines?

ChatGPT said:

There is no reliable evidence that COVID-19 vaccines caused a measurable increase in non-COVID deaths. Here’s what high-quality data show:

?? Key findings from authoritative studies 1. No increase in non-COVID or all-cause mortality
  • A self-controlled case series in England found no significant increase in non-COVID mortality (including cardiac-related deaths) within 12 weeks post-vaccination compared to later periods — and even observed lower rates, attributed to healthy-vaccinee bias Nature+2ScienceDirect+2PMC+2.

  • A large observational study in Israel also showed that vaccination greatly reduced COVID-19 mortality without increasing death from other causes PMC.

2. Sudden cardiac death not linked to vaccines
  • In Oregon (USA), among nearly 1,300 death certificates for ages 16–30 during June 1, 2021–December 31, 2022, 40 deaths occurred within 100 days of an mRNA vaccine, yet none were attributed to vaccination; some were due to underlying disease or remained undetermined CDC+1People.com+1.

3. Very few confirmed fatal cases worldwide
  • A review of 55 published death cases temporally associated with COVID-19 vaccination (out of billions of doses) found:

    • In 17 cases, a causal relationship was excluded;

    • In 15 deemed possible;

    • Only 14 cases were classified as “very probable or demonstrated” causal links PMC PMC+1Wikipedia+1.

  • Earlier U.S. VAERS data (Dec 2020?–?Jan?8,?2021) estimated 8.2 deaths per?million people vaccinated, heavily concentrated in very frail elderly long-term care residents PMC.

?? What does this mean for “non-COVID death rate”? If by "non-COVID death rate" you mean deaths from causes other than COVID-19, there is no credible evidence of any excess mortality caused by COVID-19 vaccines. Observed all-cause mortality following vaccination is either unchanged or lower than baseline expectations. Deaths temporally linked to vaccination are typically coincidental or attributed to pre-existing conditions, with only a tiny number having any plausible causal link.

?? Important context and limitations
  • VAERS and similar passive surveillance systems are meant for signal detection but not proof of causality—reports may be incomplete, unverified, or coincidental Wikipedia+1JMIR Public Health+1.

  • Some studies raise concerns about excess mortality trends at a population level (e.g. post-2020 excess deaths in Western countries), but they do not demonstrate a causal link to vaccines; no direct evidence segregates vaccinated vs. unvaccinated deaths nypost.com.

  • Evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that COVID-19 mortality greatly exceeds any rare vaccine-associated risks, even for older or frail individuals.

? Summary Table

OutcomeEvidence Summary
All-cause (non-COVID) mortality post-vaccineNo increase; often lower due to healthy-vaccinee bias
Sudden cardiac death in youths (16–30)No association found
Published cases with plausible vaccine causality~14 confirmed cases globally; extremely rare
VAERS short-term U.S. data (early 2021)˜8.2 reported deaths per?million (fleeting data, frail group)


?? Bottom line
  • No reliable data show COVID-19 vaccines have increased non-COVID death rates.

  • When deaths do occur after vaccination, they're overwhelmingly due to other causes.

  • Major studies consistently show significant COVID-19 mortality reduction without added risk of death from other causes.

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