Hi Claude; A lot of the confusion we seem to have has to do with me, forgeting your mostly into "selling" the staddles. Were I have not looked at that angle like I have the buying. It fails to capture my interest as I'm not qualified to sell naked calls, and at my age I don't intend move fixed income type money into the equity account to the amount it would take to get qualified. ------------- I'm really a small fish in this ocean and don't kid myself other wise. What little I made on AOL has been very hard come by, and if I get my plate cleaned on the Jan98 puts I'l be looking at a sizable loss. To me risk management has to be primary. The ( halfassed ) straddel of buy calls/short the stock is the cheapest and has the less risk of any of the positions. ------------------------------ You seemed to agree with me on one point but I afraid you didn't get the picture, perhaps I didn't paint it clear enough. The hidden spread is the way the specalist skew the calls/puts it's not always just a call that losses value faster than the put gains , that happens when she goes down..it's exactly reversed when she goes up the puts loss value faster than the calls gain. This skewing is very noticable to me. Heavens if I were I big player being I watch optins in one window and quotes in another, I can tell you 90% of the time before the stock price reverses. The option specilist on this stock are sharp, they have a good handle on the amount of trades "about to cross" and they stay in in front of the price action. I'v said this several times, it's no maybe, I doubt any one other than the specalist has looked at more quotes than I have, as when I place a short term bet I'm locked into her all day, and every day till I close it, I'v daytraded options on this thing more times than I can remember, and would have to pull up another program to count them. Heck I'v still got a stack of comfomation letters to go through and check aginst my stock program you wouldn't belive. My unopened mail from the broker is a foot high and growing. Small fish I am but also a brokers dream come true, I might not trade big but I trade more often than any normal trader in fact it's getting silly even to me as I'm coming to realize that there is no way I can keep up with as many short term positions I take..as a result even my winners cause me to over look other stuff and I suffer a plain out "dumb" loss enter a bet I would not have entered , or fail to move on another one. Hell I had MCIC peged, and failed to place the bet..now when I discovered she was primed for her fall, it was after I was involved with 6 others, I could see she had a stronger indication of falling than any short position I already had, but the dilmea was too many open trades and I wanted to close something before jumping on MCIC, and hoped she would wait just a bit before diving untill I could. So thats a proplem with me, already to many short term irons in the fire to keep up with in the way they should be followed. Heck AOL looks inviting right now , but they got the put premiums jacked up high and 1/4 point spreads, to much demand for the supply..so the heck with her..I also know if she goes down due to the spread the puts will not gain value very fast, anyway I got to go out of town this week so I'm simply going to put in some good to cansel orders on my other open calls/puts coming up, to close and wish them well. ------------------------------------ Your selling naked calls is beyond the scop of what I do or intend to..I got more on my plate now than I can deal with. I have sold puts in the past and found that tied up to much capital, and BTW..you didn't look good if you think buy calls/sell short ties up more capital than a straddel..it's the cheaper and only ties up the call money, the calls themself become and remain my collateral no matter if the stock goes to heaven. If you sell both positions then both of them require enough in the account to pick up the stock, or to furnish it, and you may have no problem with that, there is no way I could afford to do it, gezz if I played all my positions like that I'd have to be have a lot more in my account than I could put there even if I put up my bonds, which is a no no to me. <G> I leveage with puts/calls but it's limited to what I know I can replace in a year via my income from other sorces, in the event I get into some bad bets. Right now to stay within the limits of my gambling money, and to have some dry powder for the rest of this year I'v got were the short term bets are getting less and less, as I'v taken on JAN 98 with ADBE, calls, as well as the Jan98 puts in AOL, and want to have a little reserve to average them down if need be. If I lose in both cases, I'l have about all the loss leveragng that I feel safe to handle in one year. So I have to see thoes positions improve some before I consider many more. PZL I jumped on to quick and is eating my lunch, I played her on a hunch..and not my usuall style, ADCT, seems to have turned on me too..but I'v got August puts on her so we'll see what August brings..it's not looking like as good a bet as I first thought, and I should have closed it and grabed MCIC when I discovered the huge fall off of short interest in her. Jim |