[(fortunately, I am not responsible for your misperceptions and ignorance!)]
"Unfortunately for you, you are responsible for your own."
I'll be happy to live with my own clay feet... compared to your hatred and Authoritarianism, I'm a SAINT.
[You appear to have an irredeemable blind spot in your thinking... (not too surprising since you state that 'nothing is alive' and 'there is no knowledge'... all while you type away on your computer.... LOL!)]
"Uh, typing on a computer has no more value and ultimate knowledge than orbiting planets and falling rocks. It is just another thing that happens amongst dead objects."
Yeah right! 'Dead' things like rocks design nuclear bombs and space probes all the time.... (What a RUBE you are!)
[I used the commonly accepted definitions for Atheism and Agnosticism --- as you well know! You cannot muddy the waters by re-defining the terms.]
"I redefined nothing. I employed the real meaning of atheism consistently, even employing the meaning that atheists themselves commonly used to define themselves. You, on the other hand, were babbling in pure ignorance – as usual."
CRAP.
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[You held that scientists cannot believe in a God. You are ignorant, and lying.]
"I said that your sort of scientists cannot have real faith."
NO. You said they 'can't believe in God'. (You can't even keep your lies straight!)
[So, you have no objection to OTHER PEOPLE'S actions in this regard!]
"Only where they influence me. If they take place without influencing me, then it is fine."
OK. Define what you mean by 'influence'. (And, if you want to go off and live in a bubble somewhere on some desert island to avoid all possible 'influences', then that's fine by me.)
"If I should form an alliance and certain actions influence that alliance, then they influence me and are therefore my business."
VAGUE.
[I have NEVER made any effort to 'force' you do do anything, nor shall I!]
"The very moment you support laws that infringe upon my right in nature to be only what I am in nature, you support that which aims to force me to do something. You are therefore the problem. I only wish for the freedom to maintain my identity – not your foreign sodomitic, filthy and utterly inhuman identity."
That's the thing about DEMOCRACY that you seem to hate so much --- everyone has an equal vote.
If you hate this country so much --- go off somewhere and form your Theocratic wonderland for all I care.
[Sounds like you are the 'ignorant one' if you persist in insanely believing that I am trying to 'force' you to do anything... particularly to terminate pregnancies, use condoms, etc., etc.]
"The very moment you support government might that aims to infringe upon my right in nature to be only what I am in nature, you support that which aims to force me to do something."
See the above explaination for why you appear to hate Democracy....
[I couldn't care less what you do --- so long as you don't harm others.]
"Then stop taking my money to support your utter filthy worldview. Murder children and shove your penis in guy’s rectums on your own dime."
Er... I'm not 'taking your money', the GOVERNMENT is. Write Bush or the IRS if you have a gripe. (Also, I'm familiar with neither of those practices you mentioned... perhaps you are, but then that's your ethical concern. That is, if you no longer believe that 'we are all DEAD', and that 'there is no knowledge'!)
[Whatever, Johannes. I wouldn't give a plug nickel for you either. (I'm not away of any market for religious bigots, whereby a monetary value could be affixed, LOL!)]
"You have no more value in nature than a cup of snot. Try to find objective value and you will fail. It just does not exist here. All is meaningless."
Sorry for you. Personally, I find value and meaning every day.
[No. I never said 'God was beyond nature' (do YOU believe that God is not expressed in the natural world??????), and I never said that anyone --- scientist or other --- must 'treat him as if he does not exist'. You persist in setting Straw Men up to attack, while ignoring my actual words. Not too smart.]
"hehe. You now sense the godlessness of your view and are trying to avoid what must follow."
NOT! (I am trying to reason with a bigoted mystic though... and perhaps that's a pointless effort.)
"I never said you said God was beyond nature."
LIE. That was a DIRECT QUOTE.
[And if [the scientist] doesn't [ignore God] he doesn't.]
"And he also is not your brand of scientist, but is a real scientist."
A false assumption and another lie. All along in this conversation I've maintained that science does not preclude a belief in the Super Natural. (It was YOU who falsely claimed all along that scientists could not believe in a God... now you change your tune all unaware.)
[YOUR 'implication', not MINE, idiot. Another Straw Man, you are attacking something I never said.]
"It is a wondrously interesting thing to see heathens being forced toward their vacuous positions. When this happens, they almost always run from them as you are."
LOL!!!!!! The 'vacuous statement' (the 'implication') was YOURS, fool. All you have to do is follow the link back to read your own foolish words yet again. I predict you are too dishonest to do so....
[LOL! Apparently you really like that lie [that my science is godless]]! CHUCKLE.]
"You can run, Buddy, but you cannot hide."
A stitch in time saves nine... if pigs could fly there would be bacon in the sky, WHOO-HAH. (Any more non-sequitors, Johannes?)
[Are you RETRACTING your ridiculous lie that 'science doesn't rely upon empirical methods', or are you merely riffing on your latest Straw Man argument... 'crappy magic'?]
"You cannot hide, Buddy, however much you keep running from yourself."
(I quess not... apparently you are to rigidly and reflexively dishonest to ever admit to your mistakes or outright lies.)
[D-R-E-A-M O-N, oh Great Mystic (who claims that 'there is no knowledge' and 'we are all dead').]
"You have no more value than sand. This proves your dead state."
Mystical 'proof', no doubt! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Let me know how that's coming along (when your Mystics split off from the United States of America and ignite the civil war).]
"Well of course I never claimed such a thing will in fact happen. I think that if there is going to be your version of a separation of Church and state, then you ought to make the thing a true separation – rather than this hypocritical crap you are involved in currently."
'My version'? It's YOUR idiotic VERSION that was proposed. Deal with your own words, don't try to pretend that I ever said such bunk.
[So... you DID overstate things a bit.... You do NOT live in a pre-technological environment, not at all.]
"I never said I did."
LIE.
"I simply didn’t refute your statement about a pre-technological environment."
LIE. You afirmatively answered.
[I see....]
"You are in fact quite blind."
I can see well enough to notice bigoted anti-American hate, Theocratic doctrines, and mystical mumbo-jumbo when it's right before me.... |
