Joel, I see PDF files more and more, publishers love them, ah the writer is not that high priced, and the embedded graphic thingy is neat, like the whole file is compressed..I don't need to referance to a giff or something, and can send it via email, so I belive PDF is going to capture more and more attention.. ---------------------------------------------------------------- YOU SAID > Also, Adobe owns 800,000 shares of Netscape last time I checked. hmmm I wouldn't doubt that at all..what I would like to know is how do you get that kinda info..not that I doubt you..I'v been wanting to look at several others, to see who has big holdings in them...so is that something we can find on the internet ? --------------------------------------------------------------- One last thing I really like Adobe..but..her stock is still a little over priced like many of tech and software companies were, I like her but not at the current price. She was run up by mutual fund madness..and still needs to get back to earth..even after her big drop, and I hate to say it but she still looks high to me. All the buzz words and hype we hear doesn't seem to ever point at what I see..intrerst rates, labor cost..unemployment rates.. their not the primary controling factors..the primary is the price of crude oil..it's up august futures have it over $21 a bbl, thats going to play hell with the entire system..it's factored into everything..and if it stays at $21..things are going to get damm tight in a few months..this slump is nothing to what it will be if crude don't come down.. "belive it" oil is king, if it's up all the basics have to go up..and people will not be spending money on new tech for the office or the kids you'l see.. Keep your eye on the price of oil, it's the leading indicator of all indicators, when it goes up..profits ever were else have to go down..the lag time is about 1 to 3 mo. and depends on inventories, but signs are not good right now. That is except for the oil companies..and the arabs.. jim |