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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth
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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (120994)4/22/2008 12:18:26 PM
From: one_less  Read Replies (1) of 173976
 
Thanks. That is a good article that makes the concise point I have addressed several times and you have quibbled into your usual style of meaningless drivel.

"...the application of waterboarding and other widely-condemned interrogation techniques."

I have stated that I find torture to be abhorrent and condemnable across time and circumstance without exception. I have added other levels of coercion to my list condemnable practices. In fact, I go far beyond what you would include in the naughty list. I, for example, include your deceitful tactics on this thread among my list.

However, 'widely condemning' things associated with the bush administration means little or nothing on its own, especially when it is coming from his partisan competition. Had you condemned Clinton in 1995 for initiating the cooperative programs of interogation which included the interrogation of captured terrorist suspects by foriegn entities, I might take your current criticisms more serious. This change in 1995 was a mistake IMO.

"If you consider what the government did to be torture, which is a crime according to U.S. and international law, Bush's statement shifts his role from being an accessory after the fact to being part of a conspiracy to commit."

The author contradicts himself the same way you do. He references the U.S. law which makes torture a crime and uses your opinion which is not a legal measure that can be used to judge whether or not a crime has been committed.

Your missing link, as I've mentioned repeatedly, is in having those techniques identified as torture by the legal authority tasked with judging the issue.

Water boarding and those 'widely condemned' interrogation techniques are not, at least not at this point in time, considered torture by the system of justice we use to judge the issue. I would be fine with outlawing them for other reasons or with including them under the definition of torture. Until that is done, however, no crime has been committed.
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