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Politics : Foreign Policy Discussion Thread
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To: Thomas M. who wrote (14013)7/31/2022 4:27:07 PM
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A destructive war in Ukraine is already here, it could have been avoided if Putin had made, and could be ended if Putin would have made another decision (ideally back in 2014, or at least in February, but now would be good as well)
In 1962 we came to the brink of nuclear war with the Soviet Union in response to the placement of Soviet missiles in Cuba

With nuclear missiles being quite different than conventional weapons, esp. at the time, because the Intermediate Range missiles in Cuba represented a huge step up in the threat against the US, partially because of shorter flight times, but also because Russia had very few ICBMs at the time.

Also note the US didn't land forces in Cuba as part of that situation (even though Russia could not have stopped them), and there wasn't even talk of grabbing parts of Cuba to annex in to the US, or to create breakaway puppet states like Russia has done with its neighbors.

In Ukraine OTOH there are no nuclear weapons. They gave up their nuclear warheads (and also their long range missiles and bombers) in exchange for the Budapest Memorandum promises which Russia flat out violated in 2014 and since. There was also no serious prospect of Ukraine joining NATO. Not only would they have had to get unanimous agreement from all NATO members, but Ukrainians themselves didn't have a majority supporting joining until after they were attack in 2014, and didn't have a huge majority until the Russians greatly escalated that attack this year.
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