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Politics : Foreign Policy Discussion Thread
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To: Thomas M. who wrote (14265)9/23/2022 4:39:54 PM
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For a deal to be rejected by NATO or the US or the UK or whoever

1 - They would have to have the ability to force the deals rejection. Which they don't, they could perhaps impose a deal, saying Ukraine has to take it or they don't get support, but not so much block a deal as Ukraine wouldn't need the support as much if there was real peace.

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2 - There would have to be common ground for an agreement, which there also wasn't. Russia was never going to agree to gain no land or political change in Kyiv, nor would they accept any meaningful security guarantees for Ukraine. Ukraine OTOH had already had meaningless guarantees be violated, and wouldn't agree to give up seeking NATO membership without some other meaningful guarantee.
And the second is that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not.

Boris Johnson being willing to come to some agreement with Russia would be largely irrelevant to an agreement of peace between Ukraine and Russia. It would be relevant (at the time when he was PM) to sanctions being dropped but that's a mostly separate issue from peace.

Johnson told Ukraine he would have their back and oppose them being forced in to an agreement that they don't want to accept. That's quite different than somehow blocking an agreement that Ukraine did want to accept.
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