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To: Proud_Infidel who wrote (181014)5/10/2005 7:46:42 AM
From: Amy J   of 186894
 
Brian and Thread, RE: "Turning away educated people who want to emigrate to the United States "has to be the dumbest thing in the world," he said."

So very true !

A friend of mine was deported recently.

Recall my post on the Cisco thread about my friend that's a trained lawyer from South America?

They put her in jail and deported her !!! (Thought I had posted this on the thread here, but apparently not.)

Jail. Someone who is a criminal? Someone that's harmful, hurtful, nasty? Right?

She is a highly trained person. As motivated as anyone could ever be. As kind as can be. She was going to stop by my home but she never showed up, which was so unlike her - she always very punctual. After worrying, called her husband and he said she was in jail to be deported. Huh?

Wow. She called me from jail - first time I've ever gotten a call from someone in jail. She was panicky - hysterical, actually. Very worried she would fall sick. They gave her a TB shot (apparently, they do this.) She was very, very scared. Jail is a very scary place. The milk was very, very bad (how can milk be bad?) She's not a complainer, she never falls ill either, but she was worried. When she was deported, they wouldn't let her see her husband nor her child. She did say she was treated good though.

Long story short, there was a screw up with immigration processing. Her previous immigration lawyer was debarred previously to this, by her initiative in fact. I deeply regret not giving her the name of one my legal contacts - they would have cost 5X more but would have done the job right. She was cutting corners.

You know what's ironic? A few days before her deportation, she was telling me about a group of very bad criminals that recently had entered illegally from South America.

You can sum up the United States government's approach to immigration by this one example above.

They deport the educated, the people that respectfully report their information to the US govt. Meanwhile, those nasty, very bad, mafia-like criminals she said had entered in rather large numbers recently a few months ago, are illegally here from South America and remain in the SJ/Campbell area. These aren't just car thieves, they are very bad people. Your taxes and mine to pay for whatever it is they plan on doing here - drugs probably. Anyone else notice how crime has shot up in the Bay Area recently?

Meanwhile, my educated friend was handcuffed, jailed, and deported.

A week ago, I learned of yet another employed engineer that will have to leave the USA in a few months because his visa processing got stuck after 9/11. He's not even from a high risk country. High quality engineer too.

You've got to love how we ramp engineers here, pay their schooling with our taxes, give them work experience, then turn around and deport them just as they get really efficient.

Some engineers aren't even applying to the USA anymore. They know the horror stories - how you can't go back home and visit your Mom or Dad that's ill because you may not get back into the country. How you may not get your next visa status approved before they kick you out. There are two foreign countries in particular now recently popular with the good engineers.

He is a higher value add type of engineer, so was surprised the US immigration policy is snaring people such as him. OTOH, even before 9/11 high-value engineers were being deported. Saw the police handcuff someone in our parking lot - his employer told me he was deported - his value-add was worth probably a few million based upon their mna.

A friend of a friend said his friend was jailed for quite some time, without his family knowing about his whereabouts courtesy of the Patriotic Act. It may sound like it's not a big deal, but after having my friend missing for a few hours (until I learned she was in jail for deportation), it gives me insight as to how worrying it is when your friend disappears even for a few hours. They eventually let him out. There was another friend that said his friend was stopped by an officer at Golden Gate bridge and jailed and deported because he was in between jobs (sort of dumb to be foreign, in between engineering jobs and touring by the bridge, but he was a trusting guy.)

Intel must be seeing some of these same problems. At this point, everyone in Silicon Valley probably knows an engineer that's either been placed in the immigration prison or deported or both.

RE: "We allow people in the United States who are either here illegally and at the lower level of the value-add or work-force chain," he added. "We allow everybody in but the value-add people who have educational capabilities and the ability to contribute to the economy.

This is because the system is broke. Educated immigrants eventually only make up 60,000 votes per year. Meanwhile, millions of uneducated immigrants eventually make up a stronger voting power for politicians, once they get citizenship. If you were a politician in Washington DC, who would you pick to support?

RE: ""If we haven't got it bass-ackward I don't know what we're doing," he said."

Laughed hard when reading this. How refreshing to hear someone call it like it is.

Regards,
Amy J
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