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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices

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To: brian1501 who wrote (194554)7/16/2004 1:23:38 AM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) of 1577031
 
**Last time a president went to war on a lie was L. Johnson in the late sixties.

You can call it a lie, but then you'd have to show he knew the intelligence was bad. It was common knowledge Iraq had WMD, nobody else had the will to do anything about it.


It wasn't bad intel; he lied. The Senate refuses to look into the issue until after the election.

**Pre emptive war is hardly the norm for the US.

Terrorists changed the face of things. I'd rather adapt than do nothing.


Really? Should we set up concentration camps as well? Oh wait, we already have.

Was the right just waiting for the excuse to waive everyone's rights?

There are just some things that are just not adaptable.....one of them is human rights; another is starting wars for the wrong reasons.

**Has reversed many of the evironmental laws implemented by a GOP controlled Congress in the 90s.

Not high on my list at the moment. Let's drill in the ANWR too.


They will be come November. ;~)

**Refuses to listen to the general and accepted scientific community so much so that they have taken out full page ads in the NY Times, WSJ and the WA Post to get his attention.

There's still a lot of debate in the general and accepted scientific community. They're mostly liberals anyway <g>


Not funny.....typical of the right; if you don't agree, then you must be the enemy. And they laugh when I say we are close to civil war.

**Has alienated almost all our traditional and long time allies over several global issues.

Almost all? I guess they weren't really our friends then anyway. Your real friends stick with you when you need them. We helped them out with this Bosnia BS, but they wouldn't do likewise. They'd lose too much $$. Removing the sanctions on their buddy was more their speed.


At least they didn't crap out when the going got tough like our new friends; to whit, check out Afghanistan....the Germans have been there almost three years.

I liked the plan that was posted where the UN would move to Jerusalem.

I thought Raleigh sounded better. <g>

**Has executed unsuccessfully a radical war plan with a minimal number of 'boots' on the ground against the strenuous advise of long time generals.

Actually, the war plan was a model one. It went off without much of a hitch. More has never been accomplished in so short a time in war. The peace planning could have gone better, but you can only plan as good as your estimates I guess.


Huh? There has been no peace! The war goes on.......a war ole Rummie was not prepared for. Sorry, dude, you can't believe everything FOX tells you.

**Has proceeded unsuccessfully with a foreign policy that has been heavily criticized by diplomats from both parties and who objected strongly in full page ads and have written letters to the WH.

Some people complain louder than others. I didn't care for some of Clinton's diplomatic policies either.


I see.........you didn't complain too loud because you didn't want to upset Clinton. I knew you were a nice guy.

**Has unsuccessfully to date initiated nation building in two nations......again, not a typical policy of the US.

I'd be right there with you on this prior to 9/11 (except for Iraq...Clinton should have dealt with them promptly). Both of these wars had to happen. I'd still lump them under 'defense' though. It's not like we need to go take over Haiti now.


No, they didn't.......again, you watch too much Fox.

**Implemented major, major tax cuts at a time when the economy had gone into recession, revenues were falling quickly and his administration was considering a war with Iraq.

I suppose raising taxes would be your solution to the recession? Smart.


Black or white? Raise them or lower them? Never an in between?

The Bush tax cuts are the main reason the recession was so short. NC went from almost a 1 Billion budget defecit to a 180 million surplus on the backs of these tax cuts (our legislature sure didn't do much about it). You're on a limb on this one.

Over? What makes you think its over?

The war is one of those expenses you have to deal with. Sort of like if a storm blows in your window.

Yeah. A war we started.......let me know if you any other good children's stories.

**He has brought religion into the gov't on many different levels in ways never done by any prior administration nor sanctioned by our founding fathers.

In what ways? Seems to me like people are trying to remove religion and are being successful. Fighting 'under god', removing a statue of the 10 commandments, etc. If you're referring to Bush mentioning his faith too much, that's a matter of taste.


That's right.......I have never seen a gov't that can't be too clean of religion. But Bush is trying and we are fighting back.

ted
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