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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices

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To: tejek who wrote (199984)9/10/2004 9:19:22 PM
From: TimF   of 1574052
 
Let me make this easy for you Tim, Bush and his cronies are a negative force.......I don't care if you want to call them Nazis, Communists or daisies. That's your choice.

You were the one calling them Nazi like. We can discuss wither or not they are negative without getting ridiculous about it.

And the extent of the war crimes under Bush is much greater than it was under those other presidents you mention.

Probably not. While the occurrence of American war crimes in Vietnam (Johnson and Nixon were both on that list) has been exaggerated by a lot of people (including Kerry) it seems fairly certain that more American war crimes happened back then, probably more in Korea as well, certainly more in WWII.

They have rights under the Geneva Conventions of which we are signatory.

Actually it seems they do not. However for the most part I think we should follow the Geneva Conventions. Its good practice to keep some system and some rules in place to prevent prisoner abuse.

You think only Jews were in Hitler's death camps.

No. I never said anything of the sort.

The Jews that were there (and there where a lot of them) were there because they were Jews. Also other ethnic groups where put in work camps or death camps because of who they where not because of what they did. There may have been some sent to the camps for their actions but most of them where arrested (and many later killed) because of their religious affiliation or ethnic heritage.

Or treat your prisoners in accordance with Geneva Conventions of which we are a signatory.

Avoiding prisoner abuse (wither or not the Geneva convention is considered to be applicable) would fall under what I meant by "although in this case they are if they are run correctly."

They are much worse than our Japanese internment camps.

Perhaps the conditions are harsher but more people where imprisoned in those WWII camps with less justification.

Yes a lot of people have written about it. That doesn't change the fact that there is no solid evidence that FL was rife with voter fraud or that the voting fraud in FL was unusually high.

Yes, there is........I have posted documented proof......stop lying.


You posted mostly claims of fraud, but even if it is all accurate proof that doesn't amount to "solid evidence that FL was rife with voter fraud or that the voting fraud in FL was unusually high. There can be a lot of individual cases of fraud before a large state would be considered "rife" with it, and "unusually high" is in this case a high bar because low amounts of voter fraud are common, and high amounts, apparently higher then in FL and more clearly decisive in determining the victor have happened in elections to the House and Senate.

You collaborate with people who have the same ideas and goals.

You collaborate with your allies. Bush refused to do that because he is incapable of compromise


When some allies disagree then you don't collaborate. If you have a goal or agenda you can collaborate with others that share it, you can compromise with those that have an agenda that is very close to yours so that you can both work towards the same goal. When you have different goals and agendas you can not collaborate on that goal or agenda. You might collaborate on some things, while opposing (or ignoring) each other on others.

If you have to collaborate with your allies, then France is just as much at fault, they didn't collaborate on our invasion of Iraq. Of course in reality there is no requirement for them to share our agenda just as there is no requirement that we share theirs.

Tim
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