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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices
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To: i-node who wrote (207536)10/19/2004 12:27:09 PM
From: Elroy  Read Replies (1) of 1574685
 
Well the oil for food scandal was not "our actions" gone wrong, it was the UN's inability to manage large programs

It WOULD have been our actions gone wrong had Kerry been in office. Why can you not see this obvious fact?

You're starting to sounds a bit looney again. There is nothing obvious or factual about conjecture of what Kerry might have done 6 years or so ago (whenever Oil for Food began) had Kerry been president at that time. Oil for Food has virtually nothing to do with Kerry, and has nothing to do with the idea of having American actions abroad be explainable and understandable to American allies. Stay on topic....

As to "listening" to someone else's view, sure, I have no problem with it. But you don't allow entities with interests adverse to yours to make your decisions for you.

Of course not, everyone agrees with that simple to destroy straw man argument. And it has nothing to do with the ideas of having your actions be explainable and understandable to your allies. You seem to not understand the concept of an ally. Try to imagine the collection of friends that you have that have "David Ray values", and consider them the allies for the sake of discussion. Shouldn't your actions be understandable and explainable to the people that share "David Ray values"?

That is the basic Global Test idea as far as I can tell, not whether your enemies should be able to force you to leave your house unlocked at night!

France and Russia had interests adverse to ours at the time the decision was made. This makes it indisputable that Bush's decision to move without UN approval was the correct one. You can argue that we shouldn't have gone to war, and you may be able to make a logical case. But you cannot make a sensible case that Bush made a bad decision by moving when the UNSC blocked us.

Agreed, but that's again not the subject. We're trying to discuss the concept of having American actions understood by and explainable to American allies.

You're reasoning ability is worse than Kerry's. Your argument is hilariously weak.

Well you're the guy making the case that you wouldn't listen to a bunch of your own friends who think in the same "David Ray style" that you do when they tell you you are about to do the wrong thing. That puts you as the outlyer. Most people listen to and value the opinions of their friends. People that don't care about their friend's advice, don't generally have friends. No offense.
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