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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices
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To: combjelly who wrote (329952)3/23/2007 3:34:06 AM
From: Ali Chen  Read Replies (1) of 1574722
 
"And it hasn't been proven that the CO2 would have gone up without human input."

And I thought it was a well established fact that there was no industry when previous ice age was broken 20,000 years ago, and previous deglaciation happened about 140,000 years ago... and another about 250,000 years ago, and another before that...

"True. But what makes you so sure that none of these estimates take that into account?"

Because they never mention this, and because it is simply impossible using described techniques. The CO2 flux across air-sea interface depends on near-surface concentration. The surface concentration of CO2 depends on instant wind velocity. You need to grab simultaneously a probe of near-surface air, and the magnitude of wind gust. I don't recall any mentioning of individual wind velocities associated with individual air samples.

"Equilibrium in the simplest of senses. While the various oceanic parameters(El Nino, La Nina, etc.) means that the oceans might be a net sink or a net source, it tends to average out over time"

What kind of "simplest sense" it could possibly be if there is another established fact that the Earth climate went through wildest swings from rapid (5000 years) deglaciations to slow drifting into ice ages, and did it many many times? Clearly the equilibrium is far more complex than the thinking of People of Climatology allows it to be. Since the simplest equilibrium contradicts known facts, every model based on this assumption is likely wrong, and its predictions can be safely ignored.
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