Hi Brian.
I have read your posts on the resurrected body before and during this last exchange and I have decided that I'll leave that argument to those now engaged. I still don't think that all prophecy has been fulfilled, there are still enemies not yet ABOLISHED (ie sin and death for starters) and as God is not yet all in all. I don't wish to go down that road again with you.
I will respond to this though:
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Odd that we can both study earnestly the word - and yet
come up with completely different gods really.
My God intends to eternally punish some while yours is just kidding (sorry)
I think I would much rather read what you could write than
what others may have written although you agree with them.
Brian
My God is just kidding huh?
Yes Brian I have studied the Matthew 25:46 scripture of kolasis aionion. Simply translated it means "eonian chastening". Or "chastened during the ages". And as I have shown you numerous times, the ages will definitely end. (Hebrews 9:26 and 1 Corinthians 10:11) The ungodly will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. But Isaiah 46:10 tells us that "when God's judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants will learn righteousness. That tells me Brian that God's judgments and punishments are for correction. You say that our english translations have been tainted but you only see the errors that directly affect preterism and the elect. The rest is not in error. OK. Kolasis aionian does not mean eternal punishment.
You're correct. My God didn't create billions and billions of creatures so he could love a few and eternally torture the rest simply because he blinded them. Your god is infinitely worse than Hitler, Stalin and any other mass murderer you care to lump in. The jews killed by Hitler only suffered a matter of minutes maybe (months starving at most). Your god intends to torture for unending trillions of centuries for absolutely no constructive purpose. That makes him a hideous monster as well as a hypocrite. Definitely not worth worshiping. And absolutely not the God of scripture.
Calvinists who believe in eternal torment paint a picture of god that is utmost blasphemy to the true Living God.
You see Brian, we all focus on scripture. You have focused on a portion that describes God condescending to our level. God hates only in the context of showing His sovereignty and power to us. In His actions toward them, He hated Esau and loved Jacob. God picked one to be merciful to, the other to show His wrath on. But I failed to see in that verse where it was eternal. Remember this one, "He has locked us all in unbelief, so that He may have mercy upon all.Romans 11:32. Oh yeah, I forgot, all only means some, except of course when we decide it means all.
I happen to focus on scripture that is consistent with God's end goal. He will be all in all His creatures. 1 John 4:8 says "God is love". 1 Timothy 4:10 says "He is the Savior of all men". 1 Corinthians 15:22 says "as in Adam, all died, even so, in Christ shall all be made alive.
God say's He will save all, you Brian say God is a liar. You see yourself as going against the traditions of man, and with the scripture, but only in a very few instances. You accuse others here of ignoring Matt 24 yet you ignore or change any scripture that contradicts the Jacob and Esau passage that you love. In other words, you are doing exactly what you accuse Sid et al of doing. Change the plain meaning of "God is the savior of all men" (and all the others that speak of God as loving) to "no Paul is lying here, God is the savior of the chosen only, because it doesn't harmonize with Esau have I hated".
According to you, Paul should have said "We trust in the Living God, who is not the saviour of all men, but only those who believe". 1 Timothy 4:10
And "as in Adam, all died, even so in Christ, shall only the chosen by made alive". 1 Corinthians 15:22
Or "...and He is the propitiation for the chosen's sins only." 1 John 2:2
and I, if I be lifted up out of the earth, will draw the elect only unto myself" John 12:32
or "....this is good and acceptable in the sight of our savior God, who will not have all to be saved and come unto a knowledge of the truth, but only those I don't hate. 1 Timothy 2:3&4
or"....to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the chosen unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them..." 2 Corinthians 5:19
or "hence, then as through one fault, the sentence was unto all men unto condemnation, so also through one recovery of righteousness, the decree of favor, is unto the elect for righteous acquittal unto life." Romans 5:18.
Now I know that this is how you interpret these clear passages of scripture Brian to fit your man made doctrine of eternal punishment.
Changing the meaning of plain scripture is your specialty.
Sorry for the tone of this post but your snide, smug comment about my "kidding god" kind of torqued me.
alan w |
