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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!!

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To: Edwarda who wrote (38519)5/24/1999 11:45:00 PM
From: jbe  Read Replies (2) of 108807
 
This sounds like the Presbyterian doctrine of the "elect" who are saved, which, btw, always seemed terribly grim to me.

Sorry to butt in here, Edwarda, but since Sydney did not address this point in his answer, I couldn't resist...

What Sydney is talking about is justification by faith, versus justification by works.

What the Presbyterians (Calvinists) were talking about was something very different, and indeed much grimmer. They were talking about Predestination (an idea that goes back to St. Augustine). That is, they believed that God decided in advance who would be saved, and who would not be. In other words, you were born damned or saved; so neither faith nor works would save you if you were predestined to damnation.

How those folks got all the way from Jesus to Predestination is beyond me, but the ways of the human mind are even more inscrutable than those of the divine....

Joan
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