Hey SP, I was just reading your thread header.
Sounds like it's too tough on your psyche--or at least on the collective psyches of your buds--to have a discussion without utterly defined parameters.
Don't misunderstand me. You have a Constitutional right of free association. And I can certainly understand how much easier it is to confine yourself to an echo chamber. Avoids any potential cognitive dissonance.
Anyway, having checked your thread header, I clicked on the link: worldcantwait.net
Thanks for that. The first page provided me a huge LOL:
Something to think about over the holiday weekend:
I travel a lot in France these days, and for a long time I was irritated by the anti-Americanism when it was blindly directed toward me. After all, I thought, French people read the paper enough to know that least 50% of our population opposes Bush, the war, and so on. Then, at one point, over a beer at a highway gas station bar, an older French man said to me the following (and it's all the more compelling after the news of the repeal of the youth labor law):
"We're not upset with you because we think you support Bush," he told me. "In fact, we know that most of the Americans that come to France, in particular, don't support him. The point is, if this were happening in France, the vast majority of our students would be out in the streets protesting. Because we believe in political protest, and you don't. That's why you're such a dangerous country in the hands of Bush -- public opinion doesn't matter in your country, because you don't have the power of protest as a check against your President. Every time we see a picture of your city streets with the protesters missing, we blame America not for its idiots that support Bush. Every country has its idiots. Rather, the fact that Bush is still in office is the fault of you--" (he pointed his finger at me) "--you who know that you should be on the streets, and yet you are not."
--from a letter received from a new volunteer with World Can't Wait
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