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Politics : Foreign Policy Discussion Thread

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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6678)4/3/2004 1:23:30 AM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) of 15987
 
But who will have the superior firepower should 100,000 NATO troops pop up and enter from Jordan and Egypt

Oh, is that the scenario? Let me see, the US is going break some Israeli arms to force the entry of 100,000 NATO troops into territory that is still under sovereign Israelis control, so that they stage a war with Fatah and Hamas in order to become sitting ducks for Fatah/Hamas/Hizbullah/Al Qaeda joint attacks. And the payback for all this suffering, that would be what? You might as well clap your hands and believe in Tinkerbell, this is never going to happen. Never.

The US has stood by Israel, saving their bacon in 1973

Yeah, then forced them to 'lose' the war to supposedly salve Arab pride.

But it's Anti-Zionism, fed by Israeli settlements, and Arab conspiracy theories, which is breeding the majority of anti-Americanism in the region

Look, you are the one who keeps pointing out (correctly) how Arab demography and societal dysfunction is driving Arab craziness. By now their conspiracy beliefs are quite unhinged from reality, not that they were every well connected, and it is unwise to do yourself any real damage in the fond hopes of undermining Arab mishugoss. The beauty of conspiracy thinking is that once you buy in, every single thing that happens reinforces the conspiracy.

This is quite observable in how the average muslim has changed their perception of the US since 1973. Prior to that war the US was not a major supporter of Israel and US oil companies were all over the mid-east and Arabs had few issues with Americans.

No, I don't buy this at all; this isn't historical. The change started well before that, when in 1967 Nasser claimed that the US Air Force had bombed Egypt on Israel's behalf. By 1968 the Cold War was in full force in the Middle East, with the USSR being huge backers of the Arabs (the 1967 war was their idea, remember). This made the US the natural enemy of the Arabs.

you made the comment that the problem would resolve itself when the Abu Ala took over the reins of power from Arafat..

I never said "it would resolve itself", just that regime change is a necessary first step to any progress whatsoever.

But it's Anti-Zionism, fed by Israeli settlements, and Arab conspiracy theories, which is breeding the majority of anti-Americanism in the region

Perhaps settlements feed European anti-Zionism. Even there I rather doubt it. But settlements are a total red herring to Arab anti-Zionism, as is any concern for the welfare of the Palestinians, who are widely despised. It is Israel's existence that feeds anti-Zionism, and nothing less than its destruction will mollify it. I don't think that's really what you're proposing, though any of your proposals would aid that destruction if implemented.
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