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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (705)	11/11/1996 7:05:00 PM
From: Rambi	of 108807

Maurice! I throw a pebble--you and JFreddie toss giant two-ton boulders-and mostly at each other! "Goedelian problem with self-referential systems"!? Hmmm-ah yes--we were just discussing that last night during halftime of the Cowboy game..... Weren't the Stoics cool? Did you get to the incident that gave rise to the popular conception of stoicism as fortitude of mind in all circumstances? When Epictetus' master twisted his leg and he smiled and said,"You'll break it," and it broke? and all Epictetus said was, "I told you so,"? WOW! Now that's ataraxia! Serenity and indifference at all times! I bet those guys wouldn't have reacted to the mortal combat of a little fluffy squirrel with a very big, overweight, dumb cat as an overwhelming external event. There were two main types of Stoicism-I guess like you and JFreddy- one based on the predetermination of events and the other on free will and moral duty (the one I prefer). Which of you is which-I would guess you to be free will? Maybe it's just our personality types that dictate our philosophy--some people being more contemplative, others "doers". JFreddy brings up the emperor Marcus Aurelius--(oh, how elitist of you, JF!-What of our lame slave Epictetus?)as the epitome of the movement--he was a "doer". JF finds stoicism fatalistic--but if one is not religious, it at least provides a some pretty nice ideals to live by. Didn't Zeno also believe in the world-state as opposed to the city-state--and is that what you envision? (My reading hasn't extended too deeply here!)My son is off this weekend to the high school United Nations where he plans to change the world. A doer! Maybe I'd better go to e-mail with all this meandering.. Have you been to Corfu? I pretended to be Shirley Valentine on Corfu---I loved Greece-but not Athens which was dirty and modern. They ruined it. Although we drank a bottle of cheap wine and ate greek salads in the shadow of the Acropolis and that is a memory worth holding.. penni

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