Penni Anne; ( did I get it right ? ) re> (Can marriage survive children?) <<< ------------------------- With that question You just made my day ! <ggg> ----------------- Well when it does it sure gets nice <G> And all those trips down all thoes trails winds up creating a bond in the later years that can be stronger than the bonds created among partners in crime. ( to some extent we were but didn't know it till later ) <G> It may help if you and yours goes out and does some sort of devel-ment together that you wouldn't want others to catch you at. U know Rob a bank or supthn fun like that. If U can't be a full blown Bonnie and Clyde get sorta close to it. ----------------------------- Now being I only sired six and just had three step children, I'm know I'm no expert yet. Most of my ideas are based on the empirical, and hit and miss attempts at out smarting the little twrps. Another thing you get a chance to get even with them if and when they have kids <G> None of us really learn how to be parents untill we are grand parents ! And all the books are of little use. <G> ----------------------- As for the question ? seems it might be a little leading to me, arn't u you a cagy one <G> Now if I get into saying how it's done I may start sumpthin on this thread to cause a fire or maybe even a war <G> I'm sure if Charlotte and I survived 21 years with all the tanglements and curves my ex-wife tossed into the soup, and is still trying to, that most any one who really wants to make it, can. My opinion may oppose many who read it, but the marriage and bond to your mate has to be first, children must take a back seat when the critical times arrive. I think more is in the hands of the Mother than the Father if she has what it takes to cut the emotional navel cord at the right time things can turn out A OK. Enjoy the pain the best u can <G> ,it will give you good yard stick to measure joy with later on. ----------------------------------- When it comes to kids don't hesitate to tell me your problems, I will diligently say what every I can to increase the feeling of pain.<G> -------------------- I didn't fully realize how remembering the tough times, could make getting old a lot more fun..he he. Thank you very much. Jim P.S. The pillow thingy I've used a few times and it works ok, trick is to hide it under, before she makes the bed, and acting like I forgot, somehow she has to find it sort of unexpected, surprise is my key . I'm getting closer now to an idea or two , also been a few years since I jumped in the shower with her. I like the candle dinner idea too..I'l study on it a bit more, your help is appreciated. Jim
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