jred/cacadoo, three points this time.
look at what you said: >>And fancy that, Zeno seems to have been from Cyprus, part of Turkey Paradoxically, there were a number of free Greek states located along the coast of the Anatolian penninsula which is now Turkey. The distinctions of Ionic, Doric, Corinthian and such have something to do with this geographic dispersion of Greek civilization. There was also a large Greek colony at Syracuse on Sicily and near the toe of Italy. And there was Alexander, who managed to extend greater Greece a ways. Zeno was born in Cyprus about the time of Alexander's conquests and he later moved to Athens.>>
reading this, i conclude that your argument with mory was about Zeno [one of the points, granted, mory's ignorance about greek history can not be surpassed easily]. Now, since zeno lived in III BC, i fail to see relevance of doric invasion in XII BC. because, well before III BC, as is well known, and as your book also says, >>... resulted the ethnic composition and territorial expanse of the society which, by the eighth century, emerged as the Hellenes>>. translation: by VIII BC , there was one pretty homogenous greek (hellenic) people, who spoke same language, had similar culture, united for war with outsiders, etc. i think you underestimate greek colonisation, by III BC greek colonies/states occupied most of asia minor, there were many colonies on the black sea coast, all sicily was greek, there were also several colonies in the mid and western middeterean. obviously, all eastern ilsands were colonised by the greeks.
you have to remember, however, that there is no written record before IX BC of that part of the world, so the descriptions you post are educated speculations based on archaelogical research, and in part, on illiad. the so called "sea peoples", mentioned in the bible, and probably philistimes, were likely predoric greeks, driven out of greece by the doric invasion.
you may also note that your passage does not mention corinth. thus, people (tribes) mixed up well before III BC, the artistic/architectural styles (doric, ionic, corinthian, in that order) were carried by the same people (greeks = hellenas), at different times.
joe |
