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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (757149)2/14/2022 1:23:47 AM
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I lost most of my post in editing mode.... Here's the whole thing. The Aotearoa-Zimbabwe mandate problem is compulsory vaccination to keep a job, enter premises, travel etc. Masks are not such a big deal but they are part of it too.

The compulsory vaccinations are absurd = lacking logic. A lot of people do NOT want to be injected with Pfizer vaxx [the only option at present in NZ]. Forcing people to take a risk they don't want, and to not think for themslves is evil. Especially since unvaxxed create no threat to the double and triple and quadruple vaxxed. On the contrary, the careless infected vaxxed can infect the unvaxxed and are now doing so at the rate of about 1000 per day, while the unvaxxed are infecting almost nobody - because over 90% of adults are vaxxed.

If vaxxing is protection, then the unvaxxed create no threat to the vaxxed. On the contrary, natural immunity gained while safely vaxxed is ideal, so passing Omicron around to the vaxxed could be considered a good thing.

How about compulsory vaccinations for hepatitis and everything else for which there's a vaccination?

It's mass hysteria now. And bossy bastards love to order other people around.

I like data, information, facts - but the government, epidemiologists and so-called 'experts' do not collect data and hide what data they do collect - other than the simplistic data that they collect which does not give good risk management facts on which to base decisions. For example, deaths and hospitalisations are noted but only by vaxxed [1, 2, 3 doses, too young] and by age group, not vaxxed. There is no information on vitamin D, zinc, C, A, HbA1c, neutrophils:lymphocytes ratio, lipids, %body fat, blood pressure, inhalers used for asthma, aspirin levels, etc on being admitted, recovered, long-covid, dead, . There's little epidemiological data on those variables versus covid outcomes worldwide. There has still not even been a decent invermectin trial let alone other options for early treatment and what works.

Should I get vaxxed and risk the damage which can be substantial, with not particularly good protection against Omicron and Delta? I can't get data as there's an average risk by age group but NO information at all on risk with those other variables. A blood sugary 25 year old fatty might be at much greater risk than elderly me. A skinny high zinc/vitamin D etc 15 year old male has zero risk from covid but substantial risk from the guaranteed damage from billions of injected ACE2 attacking spike vaxx particles which might or might not more or less, good luck, stay largely in the arm muscle. Or might be mainlined by a vein straight to the heart.

The government says: 'The vaxx is safe and essential against covid'. Untrue. It depends. It depends on data they refuse to collect. The government does NOT offer $10 million to anyone injured by the vaxx. And of course when people ARE damaged or killed by the vaxx, the investigators who supposedly study each case of harm [which they don't], say 'The adverse event was unlikelly to be caused by the vaxx. It was just coincidence.' There are 2 young people in NZ dead from the vaxx [confirmed by the 'committee']. Maybe 1 other. The other dead ones they assert were unlikely due to vaxx. With only 53 dead from covid, with about 30 of those being dementia/very old/very sick, the quality-years lost are about 200 for those 2 young people vs 100 for the other 53. What about the injured/sick/not dead? No calculations or information. It is not a sure bet that the harm so far in NZ from covid is worse than that from the vaxx.

Now that the infection is Omicron with a 30% attenuated virus [not much information available on that either], it's not clear that vaxxing is a good thing for people under age 40. Especially if they are skinny, with low HbA1c, high vitamin D, zinc, A, C etc.

The government has done a lot more harm than good.

Economic damage so far = about NZ$200 billion = about 100,000 average lives in value [at $2 million per average life]
Saved lives if it was every man for himself from the beginning with zero government response, no border closures or any other restriction = about 30,000, with average age about 70, with most of them being sickly [called comorbidities]. An 85 year old sickly life is NOT worth $2 million. More like $30,000. 30,000 x $30,000 = $1 billion [near enough for government work]. Put your own numbers in, depending on how you value lives of various ages and comorbidities/dementias/etc.

I'd be very angry too with government bludgers forcing me to get an injection of some untested stuff with very little information on either that or the virus risks, or lose my career and income. $200 billion damage is a LOT of lives ruined for a tiny country of 5 milion people.
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