Chemical weapons = a joke. I'm not even going to bother looking at it. In Syria there were supposed chemical weapons attacks which were obvious bullshit. Some jihadists threw around some swimming pool cleaner or something and made silly videos of washing people to save them. Pathetic acting.
The Bucha and other atrocities are similarly pathetic propaganda.
On the other hand, I dare say Russian prisoners and maybe "saboteurs" have been tortured and killed by Azovs and others. It might be that there were some civilian deaths caused by Russian military and I guess some crimes too. Plenty of horrible people are in military activity and they love a good excuse.
I've watched video of USA military gleefully shooting people and there are swarms of USA crimes, some of which were perpetrated on prisoners in actual prisons such as Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo or via rendition etc. Then there were My Lai and all the other barbarities in Vietnam and since. And before. The best WMDs were of course used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Not to mention Dresden, Tokyo and a lot more besides.
The total dead in Ukraine is trivial, on both sides and including civilians. It's not even up to a million. Not even 100,000. Collecting bodies in Bucha was one here, another way over there. Really very few even if they were largely wanton murder of civilians by Russian troops, which might or might not be the case.
How about the approximately 10,000 killed in eastern Ukraine from 2014? Have you got a count of civilians killed by Azovs for example.
The best thing to do is stop the shooting now and agree to what I have written and which seems to be the obvious outcome which swarms of reasonable people understand as being a good idea. But of course the USA bosses and Euroserf bosses don't want peace. They want war and lots of it. Zelensky doesn't want peace either because he could have it tomorrow - just agree to Crimea remaing part of Russia, Donbass areas having Brexit referenda and Scottish independence votes to see what the locals want to do.
USA is the guilty party in the whole horror. Zelensky and Ukrainians in the west are complicit and paid big bribes to Hunter and Joe10% and no doubt Lindsay Graham and John McCain who were over there getting the war going.
Putin and Russia just said no more and no you can't have Crimea back and kick us out of our historical property. Any idiot could see they would not tolerate continued attacks.
I think Putin and Russia should start a nuclear war now rather than have another soldier killed. Russia cannot win a conventional war but can hold the line by using nuclear weapons and daring the crazed Yanks to go full scale deflection. All that Russia wants is what they asked for all along. But as they have said, the Americans don't have a listen mode and ignored them and continued loading up.
It would be much better to not have war and there's no need for it.
The idea as plenty of expressed [because they think they are great mind readers but they are in fact morons] that Russia in general and Putin in particular wants to retake Europe and rebuild the USSR across Europe is absurd. Russia has not got the people, the economy, the military or any reason to try to do so. The reason they are accused of it is so that the horrible attacks and war can continue. Lots of Americans and Euroserfs like you believe the propaganda so are keen on more war.
England went Brexit, Scotland is half independent but voted to stay in UK, Ireland went independent a century ago, northern Ireland has stayed in UK, Serbia and all those Yugoslav countries went their own way, Quebec voted to stay in Canada. Voting is much better than warring. Some civilized people are in favour of democratic process. Some such as people right here in Lindy's discussion and in USA USA USA and Eurostan are not in favour of democracy.
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PS: I'm more concerned by biological weapons such as covid 19 and no doubt others that have been developed, in a good cause of course, with a view to developing vaccines against what might naturally occur if a bat, pangolin and human ended up with a recombined sars virus or H5N1 with 70% mortality. Chemical weapons are so last century - my grandmother's brother was gassed in WWI and fortunately survived. Chemical weapons are not much use really. Other than for propaganda or as burning phosphorus etc, or napalm [as used by USA]. But as clouds of poison they aren't very good. A little drone, or those shoulder launched rockets are much more effective and don't blow back upwind or generally get the wrong target.
Sodium hypochlorite etc are silly.
Better chemical warfare is individually applied such as Russia used to kill Skripals = novichok, Litvinenko = polonium 210, Navalny = novichok in his undies, dioxin in Yushchenko, lead in high speed bullet form in various opponents, fentanyl in the Moscow theatre hostage crisis. And even Putin's mentor back in the day who was poisoned a couple of days after returning from Switzerland I think it was. So I don't pretend that poison is not in Putin's, Russia's or USA's methods. Putin sure is a vicious bastard. But he's in good company with Bolton, McCain, Zbig, Biden, and many others who love their power. |
