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Politics : Politics for Pros- moderated

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To: skinowski who wrote (764431)6/30/2022 9:43:29 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) of 793921
 
That point wasn't from you but from Joachim K and even he didn't put it that way just showed a map of when differnt parts of Ukraine were added with a title "Ukraine was not always Ukraine..."
we need a reminder that national borders have always been changing. No need to get too crazy over it.
In international politics there was a strong push against involuntary boundary changes ever since WWII. Its largely been considered illegitimate. Which doesn't mean it isn't possible to make too much of it, but trying to conquer some of your enemies territory is generally considered to put you in the wrong, while trying to resist such a thing has generally been considered the thing to do unless its utterly hopeless (and often even then), and not even since the post WWII change.

Looking back and that map again I see the largest part says "added 1654 to 1917" a lot of that was added long before 1917, and the "added in 1939, 1945" part was not from Russia.
Right now, thank God, they’re fighting with both their arms tied behind their back, using not even close to 1% of their true destructive potential.
Only in that their not using nuclear weapons, which wouldn't go well for Russia even if it meant Ukraine was finished. What they would conquer would be devalued, and both Ukraine and Russia itself would be contaminated, they would largely be an international pariah, and massive nuclear proliferation would probably be unstoppable. Not doing that is not fighting with both arms tied behind your back, its avoiding being the biggest fool by far in recent history.

"Decolonized Russia" is over the top (although in some ways less than "denazify Ukraine"). But being seriously weakened is not a rare result from fighting an enemy that you can't just walk over conventionally and get ether a quick victory or fighting an insurgency/guerilla war. The US and the USSR in WWII were exceptions (esp. the US, as the USSR took so many losses it did have a long term impact on their maximum potential) were exceptions to that, but being weakened is a common result, particularly when your invasion gets a very strong negative reaction from countries representing a large part of the world economy.
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