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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices

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To: koan who wrote (783007)5/1/2014 2:15:38 PM
From: one_less  Read Replies (2) of 1577191
 
>>>1) It is your opinion life in prison is just as bad. How about we let the convicted decide?<<<

That is not my opinion. Being housed in a prison until death, or being sentenced to death on a specific date are our two considerations. They are incomparable outcomes. I asked you to consider the basis for determining a just outcome of crime in consideration of the alternatives. You have not, which is typical of those who support life in prison.

Let convicted heinous criminals determine the outcome of their conviction? Are you serious?

>>>2) What about all the innocent people we execute by accident?<<<

I am not aware of innocent people being executed. However, in any large system accidents are to be expected. If the statistic presented on this thread is to be believed, hundreds of thousands of accidents occur in the medical field, for example. In any event the Justice system isn’t that good. There is corruption, incompetency, and loop holes all over the place. It is, however, the system we are stuck with because we are only human. In the case of heinous criminals it is usually the case that there is a history of heinous brutality and other criminal behavior prior to the conviction. So how many truly innocent do you figure there are? I figure there are multiples of truly guilty who get off for reasons like insufficient evidence or lack of available evidence.

>>>3) I don't think it registered that there is usually some sort of mental illness involved in killers.<<<

We all have a history and most of us have complaints. You, for example, were abandoned by your father, so in self-advocacy and advocacy of your mother, you’ve made it your life’s mission to attack white men. Some people would judge that as wrong but it is not criminal, so whatever consequences there are, are simply social. If we are going to excuse criminals on the basis of historical trauma we may as well disband the justice system all together. If they are clinically diagnosed as too mentally ill to have made the decision we do excuse them and provide alternative treatment.

>>>4) It is a bad habit to be killing people. We need to always try to be humane and understanding and we do a terrible job of it, so it is important to err on the side of humanity. <<<

Good point, but as I have already pointed out, excusing heinous criminals by housing them in a cell until their death is not just, merciful, or forgiving, so it does not avoid that form of error. It does however avoid the responsibility of providing a just and resolute outcome to the crime. I don’t think “habit” with the added value of “bad” is even applicable here.

I am open to considering your treatment of this topic demonstrating how life in prison for heinous criminals is resolute and reconciliatory …
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