The young mother in OK who defended herself and her baby from a breakin - turns out she was a bad mother. For living so far from "help."
From: Sam Read Replies (2) of 178880 The latest hero of the gun people is an 18 year girl named Sarah McKinley, who lives in with her 3 month old child in a very rural area of OK, and shot someone who was breaking into her home. Here is the story:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/05/okla-mom-shoots-intruder-no-charges_n_1186096.html
It took two 20 something year old guys 20 minutes to break into a trailer that was barricaded with a couch against the door. The second guy, who survived, is being charged with murder under OK's murder felony law.
Here are pictures of the girl and the scene:
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10010734.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody
The caption on the second picture: "The driveway leading to the rural home where Sarah McKinley lives alone with her 3-month old son. Her 58-year-old husband recently died of lung cancer."
The fourth picture caption: "Dustin Stewart, 29, reportedly fled the scene after Sarah McKinley shot and killed his accomplice Justin Martin while the two tried to break into her home on New Year's Eve. Stewart reportedly told police that Martin knew Sarah McKinley's husband recently died of cancer and they expected to find prescription pain pills in the home. Stewart has been charged with murder for his role in the botched break-in."
Personally, I don't think I could live in Oklahoma.
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[ Well of course, he couldn't. It's a bad place filled with bad people. Like that professor in Iowa who wrote about having to live in a state filled with hunters and Christians and other stupid primitive people. Liberals are too good to live in places like that. ]
From: epicure Read Replies (2) of 178880 I saw that story. I hope the women gets some help- she clearly needs it. I know the gun nuts love stories like that-- and I haven't the heart to post the hundreds of gun suicide stories I read, that really put in perspective how great it is to have weapons easily accessible. For every "atta girl" invasion, you've got a lot of "oops, my 5 year old just shot his brother in the chest and killed him" stories, and those terrible "my despondent 14 year old shot himself in the head."
The gun nuts don't get the two sides to the problem, as they so amply demonstrate every time they open their mouthshttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=27865112
From: Mary Cluney Read Replies (1) of 178881 <<< Because she was protecting her baby she needs help? >>>
An 18 year old woman with a baby living by herself in a trailer with no other trailers nearby needs more than a gun to survive. She needs a telephone with Annie Oakley on speed dial and a first aid kit.
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From: epicure Read Replies (2) of 178880 I think Cogito is suggesting that he'd like to see a man OR woman in that situation have better protection- and that a young mother with a small infant might be better off nearer to services. And quite frankly I think that too. This woman has an infant- if it was dying, or in a potentially life threatening situation, would that baby have to wait that long for medical assistance? Because if so, that baby would be a dead baby. I guess you have every right to live so far away from medical and police service that you take your life in your own hands, but when you have an infant, or children, I don't think that's a "good thing". I would wish for people that they could get help when they need it- expressing that wish is not a judgment upon our little miss. It's a hope that she can get care when she needs it. And I would feel the same about a man taking care of an infant or child. Adults- well- they can make their own choices, and if they want to live so far away from help that they die on their own, that's their lookout.
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From: epicure Read Replies (1) of 178881 It's the time it took people to GET to her, Steve. I assume she's pretty remote if it took a 911 call that long to get people to the house. But hey, yeah, ya "got" me. I would like people with small children to be able to get their children emergency medical care quickly. Apparently you don't worry about things like that. Go you!
Injuries- leading cause of death for children under one. Most common place of injury? The home
pediatricsdigest.mobi
I'm sure you think children in rural settings "do better" (without any evidence) . But I happen to know (from actual statistics) that your distance from first responders is a big part of what determines whether or not you die in an accident. Rural children are more likely to be uninsured and more like to be harmed by the distance to medical care.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
But of course Steve, you "know" best. Geez I hope you aren't in charge of any health care planning, or, actually, any planning of any kind. You seem to leap to crazy combative positions without ever looking up statistics. I realize we are all in love with our own ideas, but it's never very impressive to be so in love with them you don't look up the reality. But go you- carping at people who want children to have quick access to medical care. I mean, do you think about these positions before you post?
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[ Poor Steve. He's one of those crazy rural people. Who doesn't care enough about their kids to live someplace civilized. ]
From: epicure Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 178881 It boggles my mind that you don't think access to medical care is important. I think it's a primary cause for concern among the elderly- often driving their decisions of where to move (but I don't really care where the elderly live, as they can do what they want, they are adults.) Thing is, I just showed you the statistics that the primary cause of death for children is accidents- and serious accidents require medical care. I also showed you the NIH document that says rural children have delayed access to medical care. You're pretty cavalier about an issue that many parents think about carefully- at least the educated parents I know think about it. Most people I know want to live near a good hospital- a hospital that accepts their insurance. You don't need to speculate about whether I thought about my opinion- because I give you research and statistics. From you I get seat of the pants. Fine. Whatever. I accept that access to medical care isn't a big deal for you- but I think it's amazingly careless to raise children and not consider how you are going to get them quick medical treatment when they need it. It's completely irresponsible. And fwiw, I always think about the danger of driving a car- and I've written about that. It's why I never drink and drive, always had my children in proper car seats and booster seats, and always buy safe cars. I'm also careful when I drive- and (knock on wood) have never been in a single accident, nor have I gotten a ticket since I was 17. Part of living safely is thinking about things, like medical care, or driving your car, and making sure you make the best preparations you can. If you think about things. Clearly not everyone lives that way. More's the pity. And I won't even go in to your silly straw man about polluted air, etc- forgetting the suburbs completely, AND the fact that there is some serious pollution in rural areas from chemicals (in the air, food, and water), and dust born illnesses, and many other kinds of pollutants.
Some ideas are bad- that's why there are Darwin Awards- for people who don't plan well, and think about things in advance... Not all ideas are good ideas, and not all thinking is good thinking. I don't think there's any need to respect poorly reasoned unsupported ideas. Do you think it's important for people to respect those kinds of ideas? Message 27867275 |
