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To: davemarkun who wrote (84952)4/30/2002 7:04:22 AM
From: E. Charters  Read Replies (1) of 116799
 
Mistakes you could be making are: 1. you can convince people that pro-Israeli is the only correct stance is the way to solve conflict. 2. this is the place to do it.

In fact there are two sides to every conflct. We mistakenely tell our children that there is a wrong side and a right side. In fact as we recede in history further we see that the Brits were not always right in their colonies, nor were the colonies. The Indian was not always right and neither was Custer. There are two sides. You choose your sides. Don't try to justify them as it fails logically and by any test of reason. The reason there are sides is that there are sides.

It is a plain fact that the Jews have scant historical claim to Israel. It was held land, first by the Turks then by the Brits. This does not make it anybody's for the taking.
The question of ownership and hegemony and country status has always in the past been settled by force of arms. There has never been any fairness adjudicated or court of international right to settle things. The Treaty of Versailles was a shameless butcher job by the powerful, who cared not about culture, inheritance or national determination.

So let's stop pretending this is fair and that is fair. This is right or that is right. As far as I can see, the Aranbs think what the Jews do is unfair and vice versa.

So far, with complete unprejudiced viewpoint and not having anything at stake on either side, I can clearly see that the Jewish claims are rooted in the most unbelieveable and trumped-up mythology and the Arab claims are rooted in "we were living here all along".

I don't know where I would let my gavel come down in the interest of world peace for the future, but if I were deciding purely on fairness I would tell the Jews to find somewhere else to live. It's either that or there never was a diaspora, and I missed something.

In fact because of oil, American might, anti-arab bias, undemocratic arab leadership, and the past 50 years, it is untenable to uproot the situation yet again no matter what is most fair. But it is plain that the Jews are not going about it in the right way. It may be fair for them to defend their land, but it is not fair for them to take any more land from people who have lived there for 10,000 years. Since 138 countries in the world have self determination I can see no reason for the Palestinians not to have theirs. And it would be far safer for the Jews to achieve a separation and not try to intermingle their societies and oversee the Palestinians like they have some kind of Northern Irish situation. They should get out and let them live.

The strange fact is, that despite the Jews unbelieveable instransigence in not granting the Palestinians any kind of right of self determination, the Palestinians can get statehood from the Jews more assuredly than they could from any other group. No Arabic group would do anything but rule over them like the Turks and Syrians did. Neither the Egyptians, Syrians, Turks, Iraquis, Jordaians, Saudis, nor Iranians, would give the Palestinians one second of statehood, despite any claim of support. It is all anti-Jewish and anti-American, not pro-Palestinian.

Is the anti-American stance of the ME countries grounded in any right? The sad fact is, that the tendency of ME countries not to like the US is in fact very understandable. The reason is encapsulated in one word, OIL. The US has treated evey country in the ME in turn as its personal fiefdom, outlawing self determination and freedom in the name of black energy.

We have sowed the seeds of discord and we reap the whirlwind.

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