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I don't think Marx wanted or anticipated severe repression and atrocity in order to get his ideal society. He was just a grand theorist, I'm not sure he worked out too much of the actual implementation. (But I'm not an expert on Marx, so I'm not sure.)

Lenin saw that it wasn't happening, and figured he could make it happen but he had to be ruthless to do it. Stalin had a similar thought to ruthlessness that Lenin did (reportedly saying "you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.", about his atrocities), combined with paranoia. (Although for someone so paranoid he really wasn't ready when Hitler invaded...).

Julius Martov, a leader of the Mensheviks (communists but they believed that Russia would first have to experience a bourgeois revolution and go through a capitalist stage of development before socialism was possible) said about Lenin and the Bolsheviks and there actions in the Russian Civil War (which was the beginning but not the end of their atrocities) "The beast has licked hot human blood. The man-killing machine is brought into motion... But blood breeds blood... We witness the growth of the bitterness of the civil war, the growing bestiality of men engaged in it."
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