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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!!
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To: The Philosopher who wrote (40214)6/12/1999 7:30:00 PM
From: jbe  Read Replies (1) of 108807
 
Did you read "The Brothers Karamazov," Christopher? Do you remember Ivan's "Confession," in the course of which he rejects his "admission ticket" to Heaven, and rejects Eternal Harmony, if the price to be paid for it is the suffering of innocent creatures, the "tears of even a single child"?

If you haven't read it, do read it, and you will perhaps understand better where people like E are coming from. Ivan's example -- the 8-year-old serf child, torn apart by dogs that his master set upon him -- is of a completely different order than your example of a baby getting a vaccination. How could being torn apart by dogs be ultimately "good for" that boy, in the sense that a vaccination would have been?

Dostoyevsky himself was a believer. But he maintained that belief was only possible if there was doubt at its core.

Joan
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