At the Alternate Universe, Pugs writes:
I gave testimony in the AZNT federal case, testimony concerning Janice Shell & her FBN group. I requested to the court that Janice not be allowed to post my address on the internet. Janice claims Isaac Montel had a funny "remark" to my request (??) Did he now? I was giving testimony, does Janice think Isaac Montel can crack-up the court with one-liners while I am under oath and giving testimony? Montal was silent. I was there, I know.
Secondly, the evidence was entered into court record, the labeling of the 'exhibots' was done by the court staff irectly in front of me.
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Tsk tsk. Let's have a look at those transcripts:
17 BY MR. LANDISH:
18 Q. Mr. Dobry, could you give us your home address, please.
19 A. Sure. xxxx xxxx Lane. And that's in xxxxxxx Estates,
20 Illinois. The zip code is xxxxx. This won't be on the
21 Internet though, the transcripts of this?
22 MR. MONTAL: I wouldn't be surprised.
Now then: was the material that Pugs gave to AZNT counsel introduced into evidence?
21 Q. Have you pulled some of the documents off the Internet
22 concerning Amazon?
23 A. Yeah. This is just a fraction. These are ones that are
24 pertinent. I have much, much more.
25 (Pause)
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1 THE WITNESS: This is a new experience for me. I'm
2 sorry if I --
3 THE COURT: You're doing just fine.
4 THE WITNESS: Okay. I'm a little nervous.
5 MR. LANDISH: The Court's indulgence, your Honor.
6 THE COURT: Yes.
7 MR. LANDISH: Your Honor, as proposed 18 is documents
8 that I would suspect 18 and then small letters. What I'd like
9 to do is mark for identification this exhibit 18 which is
10 Internet postings. It's 18 and then I suspect the best way to
11 do it would be 18A, B, C, and so on. And while the clerk's
12 marking it I will pass it out to the other defendants.
13 THE COURT: Are you suggesting, counsel, that each
14 page is marked differently?
15 MR. LANDISH: No, I can -- I'm willing to do it in
16 bulk. But I am going to talk about individual pages.
17 THE COURT: Okay.
18 MR. LANDISH: Again, your Honor, it is relevant. And
19 I will try to accommodate the Court in any manner.
20 THE COURT: Have you seen these proposed?
21 MR. COOPER: Your Honor, we have not seen it and I
22 seriously question the relevance of these documents unless
23 some defendant that's party in this proceeding today is
24 accused of doing something improper on the Internet, what
25 difference does it make if there's 100,000 people out there
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1 that are expressing opinions about something? Those people
2 are not before the Court. That's not what this litigation is
3 about. We're being accused of very specific activity. I
4 don't see what the relevance of those documents are with the
5 allegations against these defendants.
6 THE COURT: Let me take a moment. It would seem to
7 me as well unless you can tie something to the defendants that
8 it wouldn't be relevant. What you're really asking for, of
9 course, to this point is to add to the injunction a couple of
10 parties. But if things are just appearing on the Internet and
11 not tied to these defendants I have a hard time finding that
12 relevant.
13 MR. LANDISH: My offer of proof then, your Honor,
14 would be that we will introduce documents from the Internet.
15 The documents from the Internet almost continually reference
16 Bruce Judd as a source of the information. Bruce Judd
17 represents First Concorde and that's our tie. Bruce Judd is
18 all over the Internet. Now I'm not saying that Mr. Judd
19 himself was responsible.
20 We don't know that yet but it does indicate the shorting,
21 it indicates what the shorting scheme is. It indicates very
22 much that they're trying to bash Amazon shares to the point
23 that there's a terminal short which means they cannot sell
24 stock anymore. And then the shorter is gaining the difference
25 between what they shorted the stock for and the zero price
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1 that it now commands. I think it's very relevant to what is
2 occurring here today.
3 THE COURT: That almost may be - even if it's
4 listing -- I would ask Mr. Judd as an officer of the court --
5 are you aware of any of this material on the Internet?
6 MR. JUDD: I am aware because Mr. Landish last Friday
7 presented to me pages that show my name. I absolutely deny
8 without contradiction that I have been doing anything and it's
9 an outrage to accuse me --
10 THE COURT: Just a moment. Let me -- and you needn't
11 be incensed. Just let me ask you, you have not had any
12 contact with, directly or indirectly, anyone that you know of
13 who is hosting whatever it might be on the Internet?
14 MR. JUDD: I received -- there was a message for me
15 when I returned from court last Friday from a Jeff Mitchell.
16 I did not return the call. I did not speak it him. I have
17 had no communication with him since that time. As I explained
18 to the Court in an affidavit that I submitted to the Court, he
19 called me, wanted information. He wants to talk about the
20 case. Invariably I tell him I am not going to try this case
21 on the Internet. I tell him there are records that are on
22 file.
23 THE COURT: But what I'm concerned about, Mr. Judd,
24 and you think you've answered the question, you have had
25 nothing to do either directly or indirectly, and anything
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1 that's been done on the Internet that is in favor of or
2 contrary to this corporation, you have had nothing at all to
3 do with it; is that correct?
4 MR. JUDD: That is correct.
5 THE COURT: And you have not invited -- you have been
6 called, but -- I have a real problem with that. It's kind of
7 like a phantom witness. As an officer of the court, Mr. Judd
8 is telling us that he's not responsible. And if you have no
9 means of connecting whatever it is, and I take it from what
10 the witness has said that it's negative, if you have no means
11 of connecting that to any of the defendants I think it would
12 be patently unfair to receive it.
13 MR. LANDISH: Your Honor, first of all I was not
14 suggesting Mr. Judd did or did not. What I am suggesting is
15 his name is all over as a source of information. Now if he
16 denies it that's fine. But they still come in because what
17 they indicate is the bashing goes on and apparently if they're
18 quoting --
19 THE COURT: Who's doing the bashing is the problem.
20 I suppose somebody could use my name and just between us
21 occasionally they do.
22 MR. JUDD: And in fact I've seen your name on
23 Internet postings.
24 THE COURT: Is that right?
25 MR. LANDISH: Yes, you're in it too.
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1 THE WITNESS: I have it right here.
2 THE COURT: Okay. To do with this case?
3 MR. LANDISH: To do with this case.
4 THE COURT: Is that right? Well, okay. Just for the
5 record I haven't had anything to do with this case on the
6 Internet. And I don't mean to be lightminded but I -- strange
7 things happen in the court.
8 I was sentencing a fellow ones and he indicated that I
9 couldn't sentence him because I was buying stolen goods from
10 him. And it was furniture. And I said I haven't bought any
11 new furniture for 15 years. He said that's right. Everything
12 I sold you was used. So it does --
13 But I don't think that gets us any closer to -- and it
14 troubles me. You can certainly lodge these documents or
15 anything that this witness knows directly. And he expresses
16 some concern. I take it this is his first time as a witness.
17 And you needn't be concerned about that.
18 MR. LANDISH: Your Honor, if I may, I'm getting I'm
19 getting awfully close to the witching hour.
20 THE COURT: Okay. Well, don't you go ahead and see
21 what you can bring out. But without some connection to these
22 defendants I think you appreciate that, Mr. Landish. I would
23 have a hard time letting it in just as general information. I
24 don't know that it would do any more good than simply to say
25 that there is a substantial amount of bashing of this
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1 corporation on the Internet. And -- but where does that take
2 us? If it can't be tied up with anybody it isn't even
3 marginally relevant I fear. So why don't you go ahead and
4 bring what you can out. But I won't allow this information
5 that simply mentions Mr. Judd and apparently mentions me as
6 well. But you can lodge the --
7 MR. LANDISH: The Court's not going to allow it?
8 THE COURT: Well, I'm not going -- you can lodge it
9 with the Court to protect your record.
Note that the material in question was NOT introduced as evidence; it was merely "lodged with the court".
Did AZNT counsel and Pugs try to drag me into the affair by name? Yes. Did it work? No:
1 Q. Mr. Dobry, what familiarity do you have with Janice Shell?
2 A. Just that she's a poster on a silicone investor.
3 THE COURT: Poster on what --
4 THE WITNESS: Oh, she posting means she provides
5 information on the Internet on a thread. A thread is --
6 BY MR. LANDISH:
7 Q. What is a thread?
8 A. A thread is for a topic and it's posters to people who
9 provide the information there and post information to each
10 other about the merits of the investments. Though she's --
11 does the opposite, she bashes the investment.
12 Q. Do you know if she has any connection between any of the
13 defendants in this case, specifically Andy Mann?
14 A. Only what she claims on the Internet. I have no other
15 knowledge other than what she claims.
16 Q. If you see documents that you've obtained from the
17 Internet can you verify those documents?
18 A. Oh, sure.
19 Q. Could you identify -- you've got your book ahead of you.
20 What I would like is for you to pull one document where Janice
21 Shell indicates that anybody -- in other words with Andy Mann
22 specifically or anybody else.
23 A. Andy Mann, okay.
24 MR. JUDD: Objection, your Honor. Janet Shell as
25 according to the testimony -- he can't put Janet Shell with
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1 any particular defendant, only what he reads on the Internet.
2 There isn't any foundation.
3 THE COURT: It would seem to me that you probably
4 need this witness -- what is kind of a boot strap operation
5 when she makes this claim. So unless there's some other
6 direction that he knows of personally I would sustain the
7 objection.
As usual, Pugs just can't get things right, can he?
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