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Pastimes : Nostradamus: Predictions

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To: Richnorth who wrote (731)7/10/1999 5:26:00 PM
From: jbe  Read Replies (1) of 1615
 
Okay, the quotations from the Talmud are NOT correct!

Finally, someone has published, on the net, a point-by-point refutation of that hoary old fraud, "The Talmud Unmasked," which every neo-Nazi group in cyberspace has been spamming all over the place, and which has just put in an appearance on this thread.

Take a look at this detailed 2-part response to the "quotations," some of which are invented, some of which are simply misunderstood, and others yet deliberately or inadvertently mistranslated and/or misquoted.

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Here is some more material, in what appears to be an earlier and shorter version of the above:

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Some examples of the different kinds of distortion -- from invention to misunderstanding to misquotation -- peddled in "The Talmud Unmasked":

CLAIM
"To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if they knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly." - Libbre David 37.

RESPONSE
Total balderdash, there is no such statement at all, and there is no such book. E.S.

CLAIM
"A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat." - Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348.

RESPONSE
This is of course poppycock, there is no such source called Hadarine, while the chapter in Choshen Mishpat 348:2 states clearly that one may not steal from a gentile exactly as one may not steal from a fellow Jew. E.S.

CLAIM
"When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves." - Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D.

RESPONSE
There is no such source. However, we find a talmudic statement relating to the spiritual afterlife allegorically that there will be no need for toil in the spiritual world, as one who has a large amount of slaves does not need to toil, thus so to speak angels will execute our errands. Another Talmudic statement which might have incited the ignoramus is that in the messianic times every Jew will have 2800 disciples from among the nations who will wish to learn from him the ways of the Torah. E.S.

CLAIM
"A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."- Aboda Sarah 37a.

RESPONSE
Apparently a deliberate misquote. The observation is a technical, physiological one, regarding the impurities related to genital "flows" as outlined in Leviticus chapter 15. The Talmudic source argues that since the tearing of the hymen at that age would be permanent (as distinct from a younger girl whose hymen the rabbis believed would grow back), she is considered to have reached a state of physical development that her discharges would be included under the category of impure flows according to the Biblical purity laws. (The same rule, by the way, would apply to a Jewish girl). This is of course not a permission to "violate" the girl, merely a legal definition of her age. From Usenet message
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