Nope- that isn't what she argued, you missed her points:
>To: +Neocon (34175 )
From: +Rambi
Friday, Aug 6 1999 10:25AM ET
Reply # of 34448
Sorry penni what?? That I don't see the movie as you do? You have such an "I am
right-you are so dumb" kind of presentation! Did you realize that it comes across this
way?
But that's ok. I am very forgiving.
You didn't know all these things without being exposed to such a sordid two hours? Do
we need everything thrust so graphically in our faces to make the point? This is not a
new message, nor an especially original or modern one. People have had to make these
same moral choices through the ages.
I found the non-resolution of the film to be depressing, not because I care about happy,
tidy endings, but because this was a sort of lesser of two lousy alternatives. There was
no feeling of joy in their lives or their decision. It was not a very ennobling movie.
Perhaps you don't mind seeing us this way- I choose to believe in man as capable of
more vision and beauty and dignity and personally that's my focus. To me, this movie
denigrated us. I found it condescending and even puerile and sad. It wasn't just being
turned off by the decadence or the sexual aspect, but it was boring. Nicole's drunk slow
shallow flirtation at the opening party left me yawning. (Been to these parties, seen these
people)<
and
>Perhaps we're arguing apples and oranges? I don't disagree on the lushness or the
clever angles or the sets, or the incredible lighting.
I disliked the subject matter and the treatment of the subject matter.
I think we have just gone too far in what we pass off as sophisticated or "mature", when
often it's just garbage in a silk bag..
So for 2 1/2 hours I got to watch self-indulgent, too rich people I didn't like do things I
thought were shallow and stupid and meaningless, and occasionally cruel and evil.
Kubrick didn't show me anything I didn't already know about us, nor did he inspire me.
And he did it so damn SLOOOOOOWLY.<
She never actually said "bad" that I could find. She did not like it. She told you why she did not like it. You wanted to argue with her about the basis for why she did not like it. She wanted to defend the basis for why she did not like it.
I saw Pi and LOATHED it- even though it is a very good movie technically and the story is certainly intriguing and original- head drilling and veins pulsing just makes me ILL- it is a visceral thing. I could not watch the movie. Are there people out there who need to see head drilling? Is this the only metaphor that works here? NO. It was the metaphor that artist chose and I DID NOT like it. I wish the artist had chosen another visual to get his meaning across. The Thin Red Line and Saving Private Ryan are both- I am sure- good movie- but I am not going to see them because I have HAD it with war movies. I know war kills the best and brightest, and kills indiscriminantly and horribly, and poses all sorts of moral dilemmas- I don't need to SEE it for entertainment.
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