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Strategies & Market Trends : DAYTRADING Fundamentals

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To: TraderAlan who wrote (2625)8/10/1999 9:38:00 PM
From: Richard Estes  Read Replies (2) of 18137
 
System trading forces you to visualize a two dimensional view of the markets and to focus on a finite number of specific quirks/movements within the markets to make your money. This takes you out of the market when it doesn't meet the conditions that you set.

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Why do you feel that someone that doesn't fly by the seat of their pants has only one way of following Price movement?
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By looking only in the rear view mirror, you deny yourself analysis of the current conditions which may negate the trades that you're considering or force you to the sidelines on perfectly good opportunities that don't fit within the two dimensional scheme.

If you're a momentum trader, for example, weak markets force you to stand aside when a simple swing strategy will produce a high percentage of profitable trades.
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Anyone that spends time and effort to master TA can move into proper mode. But they will be using a controlled measure not saying what will I do on this bar.
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The nature of the market dictates that whatever edge you try to program from your backtesting and optimization will disappear immediately as the insiders adjust and eliminate the inefficiency that created the signal that you're acting on.
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Tell me, who are the insiders, do they care what your 1000 avg shares do? Of course not. This isn't a war, there is no one out to get you or me. The market doesn't know if you exist. It doesn't know what you are trading or what system you are using. That type of view MIGHT apply to the futures markets where there are only 30 or so liquid markets. Stocks provide 1000s of markets. It is not one on one combat, it is fighting the tendacy in yourself to think that your desires will move market.
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The most successful traders anticipate the future rather than evaluate the past. Controlled discretion allows you to throw out everything that worked yesterday and execute what's working today.
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Who are the most successful traders? Those you see in a market wizards? The people making money off of other people's money? I bet you are a better trader than any you will read about in a self serving interview or book. Good system don't stop working, they work under all conditions. The amount of returns might vary, but a profitable system does not die in stocks.

The one thing I disagree with Eric on is testing of systems, I have seen not seen any testing being performed on daytrading systems, except the individual on a limited basis. Look at ads, books, chart examples, you don't have anyone showing the effect of a system on a 5 min chart. Until Qcharts came into being, you couldn't think about it, the public didn't have data on all ticks in all stocks. The big boys may have had it, but I can't picture them having the ability or desire to do it.

Those that don't study the past will repeat it. But the study of the past is not the focus of a system, it is the focus of testing - to get enough data points to mean something.

It is all right to have your style but TA system trading is not what you pictured, and my "trading by the seat of your pants" is not accurate for "Controlled discretion ".
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