John--I know you'll appreciate this courtesy of csy2k:
(Sorry no deja link yet.)
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Oh my, oh my, there's more -bks-.
Zolt thought he was done at ESO 9905!!!!!! Phoole me twice, shame on
me!!
Note the timestamp.
On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:49:05, ZForray@SATURN.VCU.EDU (Zoltan Forray) wrote:
> Well, I just checked the IBM Y2K stuff and while 2.X is considered READY*
> (meaning PTF's are required), I did dig further and found lots of hot,
"hot" ???
> recent, HIPER YR2000 fixes. This is going to be a bumpy ride. We thought we
bumpy ride? Why???
> were finished at ESO 9905. Some of these fixes are July issues (just got the
> tapes for 9906-9907 today !!).
Note the two "!" above.
>
> Where will it ever end ????
Note the phrasing, "ever".
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan McLaughlin <Damclaugh@AOL.COM>
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
> To: <IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: ISPF y2k ready?
>
>
> Along this line...my boss just said I need to do some homework on OS/390 2.8
> to be ready for production before 4th quarter ends as "2.5 is not Y2K
> ready"..
> My IBM'er who happened to be here working some maintenance with me looked
> as disbelieving as I did. Has anyone else heard this? I know that the MVS
My IBM'er .... disbelieving? Why?
> CP
> people look in and would welcome their comments as well...
>
> MTIA....
> Confused In Atlanta
"Confused" ????
Yo! No problems with Banks, "Banks Get it!" How could Banks be so
F'ing sure they were done on June 30, 1999 when Zolt and Dan are talking
about getting the 9906-9907 tapes with the HIPER YR2000 fixes at the
end of August, 1999.
Well, maybe Banks have peanut brains? (Note, in the interest of a new,
kinder, gentler c.s.y2k, I'm not saying that -bks-, JEM, Ken, or any
of our Pollies have peanut brains. I am saying that the bankers and
Kosky have peanut brains though.)
Say the words people, "50,000 IBM style mainframes run the civlized
world."
Hey but maybe this will turn out to be a cosmetic problem, maybe we can
get the fixes installed in the next 127 days.
I hope so.
Are we betting *our* lives on it? Maybe, maybe not. How
close is *that* 7-11?
Are we betting our life savings on it? Maybe, maybe not. Do you feel
lucky today? Well. Do you?
cory hamasaki kiyoinc.com If I remember, I
might natter more about what 9906 means in the MVS, -cough- OS/390
world in the next WRP. It's either the next one or the one after, that
will go by mail to subscribers first, then up on the web for freeloaders
a couple weeks later.
Or, you can ask Wester-raag what this means and why some mainframer's
are abuzz. Or maybe the pollies will tell you that I'm full of "Van Nuys".
NO PROBLEMS!!!! NOBODY PANIC!!!!!
LOTS OF TIME!!!! CALM DOWN!!!!
IS 5,000 ROUNDS OF SS-109 ENOUGH? (I'm kidding.)
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and then a response to one of the more polly posters:
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 05:58:03, Whislin' Dixie <"dont.want.emaiil.from ya"@anyway.net> wrote:
> If you worked in MY IT department, and I am sure in many others, you
> would be fired on the spot if I read your silly BS in this forum.
BS? Sorry pal, you didn't comment on the content of the post. Maybe you
didn't understand what Zolt and Dan were talking about? If you ever
make a comment on the specific technical issues raised, people might
take you seriously. Until then, you lose.
> smart as you are, I am sure you don't post under your real name. If I
> was as stupid as you, I wouldn't either.
Anything you say, "Whislin'"
Please killfile me. On my newsreader it's under the option called
"filter".
cory hamasaki kiyoinc.com
Note to everyone else, the 9906-9907 situation is serious. I heard
through the geekvine last month that this would be a problem. Since the
Pollies don't understand what this is all about, they're resorting to
off-the-wall diversionary tactics.
Essentially, the mainframe world is a year from compliance. The time
can be made up but that is not a given. This by itself is no reason to
modify your plans, that is, if you have plans.
If you have been quietly exiting from go-go mutual funds, if you have
2-3 months of supplies and are gradually increasing them, if you have a
few hundred gallons of water, etc, don't take this as an invalidation
of your approach, as proof that you're dangerously underprepared.
Similarly, if you're a Milne or InfoMagic, this doesn't mean that your
fears are realized.
The discussion between Zolt, Dan, the unnamed IBM'er, and the others
simply confirms that mainframe issues are *at least* as bad as I have
been telling you.
This is a serious, serious situation but this is a trip-wire, an alarm.
126 Days to go and a bunch of normally blase mainframers are breakin' a
major sweat. This doesn't mean you and I will be slamming 30 rnd mags
into assault rifles in 127 days.
This does suggest that *every* one of the 50,000 mainframe shops is
*not* Y2K compliant and that *every* bold, proud, statement that "We're
ready." is not true.
There're still 126 days left. This can be fixed.
Those of you who are still not sure about the seriousness of Y2K, I urge
you to re-read Zolt and Dan's words and ignore my commentary. They are
both highly technical, mainframe operating systems experts and have no
Y2K agenda. Visualize Dan and his IBM consultant and consider that
unlike our pollies, he is sharing a technical meeting between him, his
boss, and his IBM rep.
I've given you the original source documents. You have first hand
accounts from inside mainframe shops. Contrast those (almost private)
meeting minutes with the clueless rants and hype that "there's no
problem", "I have a big-brain, Y2K is fake".
Read Zolt and Dan's words, they're tired of this, fed up, and a little
frightened. I am too but it's important the people know what's really
going on.
126 days, 3,042 hours.
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