Neo has already demolished this post but I could not resist adding a few points. In response to poor0turkey's post:
Your quite eloquent post was just that a quite eloquent blind endorsement of a (right) view and an almost total disregard for an objective view.
Your opinion is not supported by any facts as your post indicates.
First off, you give Reagan the credit for ending the cold war, the cold war was ended by the failure of the Russian economy and the good sense of Gorbachev. Reagan blew the the budget into a spiraling deficit by beating a dying horse about to take it's last gasp. The Soviet Union would have died if we had cut the defense budget during the Reagan years. Thus, he mortgaged the future to bury a dying enemy. And George Bush who was a good president, much better than Reagan, blew it by not finishing Desert Storm, and not recognizing we had a recession in 1991. Reagan's fiscal irresponsibility was monumental and unforgivable for it impacted generations to come.
The Russian economy was pushed to collapse by the US military build up sonny. The Democratic Congress "blew the budget" as you say. Do you remember reading about the Reagan budgets being DOA at Capitol Hill? In fact tax revenues increased immensely during the Reagan years and were squandered by a profligate Democrat Congress. The fiscal irreponsibility is squarely at the feet of the Dem. party. Congress alone has the power of the purse strings.
Clinton's agenda was never led by Republican's, rather from the first time I heard him speak 1992, he has been consistent on his view on every subject and has always espoused a pro business centrist view with a genuine democrat concern for the hard working average citizen. This is something that has been sorely lacking in Republican policy for years. Clinton espoused fiscal responsibility, free trade, and health care from the beginning and has maintained that posture.
Clinton consistent? Do you listen only to radio Free White House and CNN (Clinton News Network)? His agenda, including welfare reform, has ALWAYS been defined by Republicans. As is obvious from the impeachment debacle, he has no concern for anyone but himself. Not his wife, not his daughter and more tragically not this country or his office. The man is a disgrace.
It is interesting you give Wall Street the credit for Clinton hiring a democrat(Rubin) and a republican (Greenspan) to steer the economy. HE HIRED THEM NOT WALL STREET, GIVE HIM CREDIT, or be a blind fool. And the economy has hummed along marvelously the last seven years the best in this Century, what a wonderful job, the Clinton administration has done here.
Uh, I believe Greenspan was hired by [edit]Reagan. I'll give him credit for Rubin. He gets no credit for the economy. Credit for the economy lies with the Republican controlled Congress.
You say Clinton is a fake Centrist, I find no evidence of this. Maybe you just want him to be a left winger so you call him a fake. Provide evidence of this not hearsay.
He's a lefty alright. Remember Clintoncare? Gays in the military? How he fought welfare reform then tried to take credit for it?
On the subject of healthcare, we the richest country in the world has one the lousiest health care programs for it's citizens. Clinton has been trying to fix this. Meanwhile, your Republican buds keep killing health care and propping up the right to kill with assault weapons and handguns to insure our murder rate remains the highest in the world. I guess if we kill all the sick and poor we don't need a national health care program. This mindset is stuck on sick.<i/>
If our system sucks so much how come we have people coming here seeking treatment from all over the world? Sorry about the inconvenient Second Amendment to the Constitution. Your best bet there is to try to get enough support to amend it.
The Clinton Administration has managed the economy such that the Reagan budget deficit explosion can be reversed. And Clinton and his directed (Wall Street) economy guys Greenspan, Rubin, and now Summers have been steadfast in trying to use the surplus to pay down debt. Yet, the Republicans seeking votes, for the sake of selling the future want to give away the surplus to fat cats who don't need it at the expense of future generations and those who need help.
Whew! Do you smoke your breakfast. Clearly the Dem Congress' budget deficit has been erased and the budget has been balanced by the Repub. led Congress. Remember Clinton saying it would take 10 years, then 7 , etc. to balance the budget? Remember the boondoggle stimulus package killed by the Repubs? Please take your head out from where the sun don't shine. BTW a tax cut is a pay raise FOR EVERYBODY.
Free Markets, Clinton has been the strongest proponent of free markets of any president we have had ever. He has strongly endorsed NAFTA, and defended it's survival when the Republicans abandoned it during the Mexican crisis. And BTW, the Mexicans paid off the Clinton directed loan (with no support from Dems or Republicans) early for a $500 million profit for the US. Yet, you guys never give him the credit to stand tall, stand alone and win. Clinton has worked hard to open relations with China and promote free trade there, your buds are trying to find a way to NUKE the Chinese, and he has done as well with Japan and other world economies. He has been the greatest promoter of free trade from the White House in American history.
You are incredible. Crowing about opening to China. After they stole every damn nuclear secret we had? After he sold us out to the Chinese for campaign cash? Only someone truly twisted would see merit in those facts.
You also, propose putting a religious agenda into politics. The constitution expressly forbids this, and it was the wisdom of our forefathers to do so. Yet, your buds quote the constitution about the obsolete right to bear arms. Wow what stupidity.
The Second Amendment says what it says buddy. And I don't know any Republican leaders proposing to put a religious agenda into politics as you say whatever the hell that means.
Then you go on to talk about government downsizing like Reagan and Bush did something. Well, the government payroll increased during both the Reagan and Bush Administration. The only Administration that has actually reduced Government in since WWII has been the Clinton Administration.
Reagan and Bush were thwarted by the Dem Congress. The Repub Congress has caused a down size of the federal payroll with Bubba kicking and screaming all the way.
Then you blow off the biggest phenomena off all, the greatest economy of the twentieth century, is blown off, with a curt "the economy does itself". This slight is your damming statement, it reduces your whole treatise to dribble, which it is.
Facts are stupid things. But the truth is Clinton deserves little credit for the economy.
You then go on to say Clinton is blowing the gains of the end of the Cold War. How so, by making relations with China, Russia, and North Korea better than anytime since 1945. Is this bad having friends, if your view is consistent with likes of some of your congressional buds we need enemies to keep the pork barrel full of defense funding.
The Clinton policy of appeasement toward N. Korea and China and making bad loans to Russia every time they need a bail out will have a very high price tag in the final analysis.
So my friend you message was eloquent and well written, too bad the message was full of inconsistencies and blind disregard for the facts. I look forward to your's and you bud's here to provide rational objective rebuttals, partisan rhetoric keep to yourselves.
You must be talking about your response poor0turkey. Neocon was right on the money and he has the facts, not wishful thinking and WH spin, to back him up. Your desperate support of the scumbag in the WH is pathetic.
JLA
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