Hi Maouse...
RE>> As in Jesus was saying to Peter, you must build a church<<
Well you got it wrong already... You have here Jesus Telling Peter
=== That HE ( Peter ) must build a church ! === NOT !
That is not what happens nor what Jesus said:
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
And again :
Psalms 127:1 Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
Jesus says that He will build His Church...
What is a Church ??
Jesus said this about the church:
Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
It does not take too many of God's Children to make a Church..
What if some who come to the Church are not really His is it still a church ???
Christ Has a CHURCH CATHOLIC it is called the INVISIBLE CHURCH
=== That church consists of all those whom He is truly saving. ===
There are many VISIBLE CHURCHES
TYPE 1 = TRUE CHURCHES VISIBLE
TYPE 2 = FALSE CHURCHES VISIBLE
The INVISIBLE CHURCH is HIDDEN within the VISIBLE CHURCHES !
Men build the VISIBLE CHURCHES and PRAY FOR GOD'S GUIDANCE !
JESUS and HIS FATHER are building the INVISIBLE CHURCH and we hope we are helping :-}
RE>> build a church on the belief<<
Now you are talking... This is the ROCK or part of it... THE BELIEF.
INDEED this is the KEY ELEMENT of the INVISIBLE CHURCH that JESUS is BUILDING ! even this :
================ THE GIFT of SAVING FAITH ===============
LOOK at this verse very Carefully Maouse: It explains the difference between going to Heaven or Hell. ( I'm not kidding or trying to be funny )
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
It states that men are saved BY GRACE
So that those who are saved HAVE GOD's GRACE and the rest do not !
and HOW God conveys that Grace
To those whom He Saves it is THROUGH FAITH
It shows the difference between SAVING FAITH given to the Blessed
and FAILING FAITH of the flesh of those who are religious but not saved.
Can you see what the difference is ??? It is in the verse.!!
It says:
"and that NOT OF YOURSELVES it is the GIFT of GOD
======================== SO THEN =========================
The invisible church that Jesus is Building consists of those whom He has chosen to give the Gift of SAVING Faith
But what about good works..giving to the poor ..suffering for God...
That does not save LOOK at the Next VERSE !
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
We can not work off our debt of SIN.. Jesus alone can do that work !
Jesus is Building His Invisible CHURCH as you said on saving belief in
=== The FINISHED WORK of JESUS through the GIFT of FAITH ! ===
NOW if TRUE FAITH is the one difference between the TRUE invisible CHURCH and all other persons...
How perfectly does this statement that Jesus also said to Peter make sense .
Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Jesus calls Peter BLESSED .. He is one of the one whom God is saving.. he is in the INVISIBLE CHURCH or Jesus could not call him blessed.
Then the verse says FOR meaning BECAUSE
This faith and belief that Jesus is the VERY SON of GOD was not coming from his mind or his flesh... It was coming from the Father.
===== THE GIFT of SAVING FAITH ====
Judas knew that Jesus was the Son of God.. He believed.
He threw back the thirty pieces of silver and said:
Matthew 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
Then he went out and killed himself and went to hell !
Also James talks about the faith of the flesh:
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
He uses the demons to show that just believing is not always SAVING FAITH !
The Rock that JESUS builds His church on is the Gift of Faith from above
but I won't argue that with you any more..
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RE>>it is my belief that they are one in trinity with the Spirit, I do not believe they are the same being.
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This statement is RIGHT ! (bet you never thought you would hear me say that)
This verse helps to prove it:
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
The word "one" is in the neuter so it can not mean that Jesus is saying I and my Father are ONE PERSON It must mean ONE THING !
Some men have used the statement " if you have seen me you have seen the father and this verse to try and prove they are the same person.
Look however at this verse as well:
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
It speaks of Jesus being SUBJECT to the Father in the KINGDOM !
Also look at the subjection of the Holy Spirit to Jesus:
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself ; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come
Maouse Just curious my bible reads:
John 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
Does yours say All willing Dead people come FORTH and out came Lazarus only !
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
RE>>The Jews were still the chosen people<<
The Jews still are the chosen people.. it depend on what kind of chosen your talking about...
You are mixing apples and oranges as the saying goes.
Paul goes to GREAT PAIN to try and set us straight on this point.
Concerning ELECTION as a NATION !!!
====== THE JEWS ARE ALWAYS IT !!=======
Concerning ELECTION unto SAVING FAITH !!
====== THE JEWS ARE BEING BLINDED by GOD =====
but not all ! As it is written:
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And again:
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
RE>>John 5:... well heck pretty much the whole thing, supports my interpretation<<
I don't know what you mean by this ???
How about this :-} The whole Bible supports My position :-} Cute ! |
