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Pastimes : Jesus

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To: Brumar89 who wrote (1764)11/6/1999 9:01:00 PM
From: Berry Picker   of 4775
 
Romans 9 - Part 2 - The Most Hated Chapter in Scripture !

Hopefully before reading this post you will read Post # 1769

== This is likely one of the Favourite verses of all Christians.. ==

Roamn 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

While many understand the concept of all things being ordained for the good of the believer they fail to study what the Context is !

It is true that God causes everything that happens in the life of the individual believer to serve their personal good.. Yet God also causes everything that happens in the World throughout History to happen to the Good of those who are the Called according to God's purpose

I have heard a lot of Christians merely say " All things for Good "

Oh that they would know the depths and riches of what they are saying !

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Some argue that this verse is about Christ only and not whoever may follow Him... fine lets look at the next verse then:

Roamns 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Them cannot mean Jesus it is plural as in many ... they are predestined to be called and justified and glorified...

PREDESTINATED as in
PRE = before
Destinated = determined destiny!

So then If God who spared not His own son in saving the predestined ones is the one doing the saving the scriptures ask:

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

The devil can rage but there it is...

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

NOW if GOD has DETERMINED to SAVE the ELECT what fruit is there ?

Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Nothing can separate them from the LOVE of GOD... That saving LOVE is Predetermined to be GIVEN to them before they are Born !
No one can steal it !

This concept of being predestined is set down in Chapter 8 of Romans leading into the teaching of Romans 9..

Next === Romans 9 Paul proves the previous from historical events
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