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Pastimes : Jesus

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To: monu who wrote (2984)12/15/1999 1:18:00 AM
From: Berry Picker   of 4775
 
First let me tell you that God in His wisdom has caused you to gather together TWO very important Truths.

Monu.. this is to me a light at the end of a cave of darkness and I take it in hope.

First: you were talking about the Lord's Day and the keeping of the Sabbath

Second: you mentioned the Tithe.

Dare I say Hallelujah without someone thinking I'm a holy roller?

Where does the law of the Tithe come from?

Abraham is the first to tithe a fixed amount. Abel sacrificed even Cain sacrificed. The tithe is not a sacrifice it is a "due portion" It is like a tax. It is not to be seen as giving but rather as recognizing that God's house and work deserves it's fair share of all that God has given us anyway.

Abraham Tithed to Melchizedek!

Paul argues that therefore Melchizedek must be a greater priest than even Abraham. ( do you know what that would do to a Jew at that time hearing and seeing that - Revelation )

Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

Who is the "King of Peace" Monu? Who was it that Blessed "Faithful Abraham" ?

Who is it that hath not beginning of days?

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Abraham , the father of the Faith , as he was known, was blessed by Melchezidek.

Hebrews 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

Jesus is known as the "Priest Forever after the order of Melchezidek"

Psalms 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Psalm 110 is the most quoted Psalm in the new Testament. It is about Christ as King!

Now the Old Covenant that was put away by the New Covenant was in the Blood of animals looking forward to Jesus the "Lamb of God". Jesus shows this broken body and blood in the earthly sign and shadow of " bread and wine" Look Monu I show you the Christ in Genesis:

Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

Hebrews is very plainly teaching that Jesus is not a Priest after the old covenant order according to LEVITES from Aaron.

Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The change of Law men see here concerns Ceremonial Law. People who think that God changes his moral law are sadly misunderstanding what that law is.. It is the very character of God and is righteous and holy which will never change. Jesus is a the Everlasting Priest ( who never dies or gets replaced ) according to the Order of Melchezidek and NOT Aaron ( Old Covenant )

Paul argues that since the Priesthood is plainly taught in the O.T. to be different then there must be also a change of Ceremonial Law.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

This was very hard to teach to Jews. They read about everlasting covenants so how could they change or become old and disregarded? We have the opposite problem today. People not only think the ceremonial law has changed but they try to throw out the Moral Law with it. Moral law does not "wax old".

Tithing comes with promise and you do well to tithe. Did men tithe under the order of Aaron ( levi )... Yes:

Hebrews 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

Paul shows that even Levi who received tithes Paid tithe under the greater order of Melchezedic.

So that is was a Ceremonial Law before the Old Covenant even existed according to the Order of Melchezidec which order Jesus is:

Hebrews 7:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Jesus is called of God after the order of Melchisedec.

One of the few things we first learned of this order was that He brought forth the Bread and the wine and that we brought forth a Reasonable portion of our worldly gains being 10%. That Ceremonial law would not change. None of the Ceremonial laws of Aaron changed that order was put away period not changed but finished in that it was imperfect:

Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Why then did I rejoice that you mentioned the tithe

Just as the tithe is a "due portion" of our goods given to the work of the Church and the Lord.

So also is the Sabbath a " due portion" of our time and life given to the work of the Church and the Lord.

Are there any Sabbath's that have been done away with? Yes many ... all the " Ceremonial" sabbaths of the Levitical Preisthood according to the order of Aaron. They passed away. Waxed old and decayed right up to 70 A.D.
How was a Christian to view weaker brothers who felt guilt not observing them under the times of transformation 30-70 A.D.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

They were not to be hurt or looked down upon. Just as with meat sacrificed to idols. They needed to wait until this knowledge that I am speaking about was strong within them. Until they were fully persuaded that they could let those old ceremonial sabbaths go without sinning against their own consciences and enjoy the Order of Melchezidek after the Everlasting Priest Jesus the Christ:

Hebrews 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Why then does there remain a Sabbath keeping if the Sabbaths of the Old Covenant are put away?

Because we still have the perpetual Moral Sabbath contained in the moral Law even the Ten Commandments.

Ex20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Why do men not see this as just another Ceremonial Law... since it was introduced at the same moment that the others were?

It was not introduced at that same moment but was lost during the enslavement of Pharoah in Egypt. God wrote the Ten Commandments as Moral Law Himself in tables of STONE !God called men to " Remember " the sabbath and to keep it Holy"

2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Those Laws being moral are what Jesus spoke of when He said this:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Now if Jesus was talking about the order of Aaron and the levitical Sabbaths then Hebrews os not of God because it says of necessity there is a change in law. If Jesus is talking about the moral Law written in the Ten commandments then rightly does Hebrews speak of "laws" that change.

How do we know for sure that Brian Valentine is not just twisting the scriptures.

First I swear that I would not desire to bind any man to any law or duty other that that which God has given for his own good and not hurt. Moral law is not grievous to us:

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Men say that these laws are bondage and grievous NO they are your freedom.

The Sabbath mentioned in the Ten Commandments are not tied to the Levitical Preisthood at all but the very creation itself and God's Example:

Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

It was ordained at the beginning of time when the only Priest or Priesthood there was was God Himself even Jesus walking in the Garden of Eden with the Man He had created and given life.

It was given to Adam as a gift of communion ( common union )before sin even entered the world.

It is to continue until the Great Sabbath even in Heaven..

RE>>. What's interesting for those looking for excuses not to tithe is that Abraham DID and he was before the law.<<

Well said Monu... What men also miss is just how early God gave us a Day to be with Him that Satan seeks to steal at every turn of trickery. Woe to those who cause others to miss this blessing in the name of freedom and grace.

We tithe 10% of our goods - We tithe 1 day in 7 of our sojourning here. We give God His due with Promise.

There are promises for both Tithing and Sabbath keeping!

1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Sorry I did not manage to talk about the change in the day. I am as usual carried away with firstfruits of the principle that I did not make it to that portion.

I will write to you another post showing that Jesus, Who is Lord of the Sabbath changed the day by Example being now the Eighth Day even the Day of Circumcision even:

The First day of the New Creation if Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

look that verse up in Greek it says Rest = sabbath keeping. Too bad it was so poorly translated into English. It could have helped a lot of people see the truth about the Lord's Day.

Promise to talk about the day Change next post.
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