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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!!

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To: nihil who wrote (74815)2/21/2000 10:14:00 AM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (2) of 108807
 
You are not under oath, but okay...LOL! Excuse me for using this post as a point of insertion to clarify matters brought up earlier, but germane to the morals discussion:

I wanted to say something about the Decline of the West, before I forget. I agree with you that some conservatives denigrate American society too much, and I have said so in
several public forums. But for those of us who believe that Western Civilization is the source of whatever is valid in the modern world, and that promoting Western Civilization
amounts to helping other societies learn the necessary underpinnings of modernization, the continued denigration of the West which has become pervasive in academic and left- wing circles is threatening to the progress of the world, and therefore to the peace and prosperity of the United States, which has not only idealistic reasons to hope that other countries adopt democratic capitalism, but which, as a trading nation, is dependent upon stability and a broad prosperity.
On the home front, it is simply true that the fabric of family life has been frayed in the liberationist era, to the detriment of children, and that ill- considered social policies have created an underclass totally unprepared for the world of work and responsibility, and frequently criminal. I live in the Washington metropolitan area, as you might have guessed, and recently there were five separate instances of young men shooting other young men
over Eddie Bauer coats, two of them fatal. How many socio- paths can a society afford to create?

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I purposely did not mention the race of the offenders, because it does not matter. There are white sociopaths. The various school house murders have been perpetrated by whites. As I have mentioned in the past, my sister- in- law is African- American, and I have a niece and a nephew of mixed race, and that is fine with me. Not to put too fine a point on it, the racial world of the '50's sucked. On the other hand, I have been at a conservative meeting with James Meredith, who integrated Ol' Miss, and as he said, "different times, different issues". Actually, the clearest proof that the social programs of the '60's were at best ineffectual, and at worst destructive, is the fact that the ghettoes have become less livable since the general conditions of blacks in society, including educational and income levels, have improved.
Perhaps I should not have used the phrase "simply true". But the moral hazards of welfare are generally agreed upon, the question has usually been how to address them. And even
many liberals agree that there is a cultural problem among the underclass (which is not only black, but also Hispanic and white, generally migrants from Appalachia or the
Ozarks. In fact, there are many more whites on welfare than blacks, it is the percentages that make it a "black problem").
Yes, I do think that the main problem in inner city schools is a lack of discipline, and that a sense of shame and responsibility should be instilled in everyone. That is where the Clinton stuff comes in. We cannot effectively encourage a sense of honor when the President so
obviously lacks one. Clinton is not responsible for the troubles cited, but we are obliged to show that we take issues like lying under oath seriously.

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