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Technology Stocks : Commerce One Inc - (CMRC)
CMRC 3.740-4.3%Jan 16 3:59 PM EST

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To: Kashish King who wrote (1128)4/13/2000 12:05:00 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (1) of 1938
 
I don't know how to put this. Maybe you should sit down.

After reading your inane rambling about open source solutions to B2B, I emphatically agree that you don't "know how to put this". Maybe I should sit down before I fall down laughing.

OK, ah, the Internet is running on free software

There is no such beast as "freeware". It's no less an oxymoron than Jumbo Shrimp. Anyway you slice it, someone must pay for the major support infrastructure required to operate and maintain it. That means MONEY... $$$... Yen, Pounds, Euros, dinero, scratch, payola, dead presidents..... etc.

And I can guarantee you that the database providers like Oracle or Sybase aren't going to provide their software "for free". These are the same people you claim that are going "to rule the roost" in B2B.

Linux is great. Apache is great. But you still must have someone to maintain those networks, both in-house as well as with each respective participant in the B2B network.
Unless, of course, you are volunteering your consultation services gratis.... :0)

I love the open source movement as I really have little love of MSFT. However, using that as an argument against the potential profitability of B2B participants is just not credible Rod. Major companies do not sign IT contracts with Mom & Pop Linux hackers. They want someone who is responsible for the creation and continued operational stability of that system.

With CMRC, they provide a software license and take on responsibility for operating the system with minimal disruptions. They are where "the buck stops" when the system doesn't perform to expectations, as well as being the same company that should enjoy the benefits of maximizing efficiency and operational availability.

Why you senselessly maintain that Multi-Billion companies are going to set up in-house Linux based systems and then get each of their IT management teams to knock heads with everyone else's IT management team just doesn't make sense. They don't want the hassle, but rather merely the benefits. That is why they out-source this system rather than trying to recreate the wheel in-house.

If what you are saying becomes fact, then we can look forward to the immediate downfall of MSFT, ORCL, IBM, APPL, SUNW, SYBS, RHAT, and any other company that offers out-sourced installation and maintenance of high volume exchange IT systems.

You have a ax to grind, Rod. You are obviously trying to sell the prevailing "snake oil" that Linux will put all the big Software houses out of business.

But you are wrong. An operating system being freely available does not eliminate the need for application software to run on that O/S, nor the continue staffing required to upgrade and service that software.

Apache Server is a server... not a database. Databases are far more complicated and require unified compatibility across the network, whether that network runs on Apache, NT, Netware... etc.

Additionally, the managment team at CMRC is not just a bunch of "Johnny come latelys" offering their own form of snake oil to their customers. They almost overwhelmingly derive from a Sybase background. In fact, you could say they are a mini-Sybase. SYBS has very good products (but apparently a less than effective marketing capacity). They have the experience to implement and operate high capacity B2B systems, ESPECIALLY since they gained that experience working for one of those database companies "who are going to rule the roost".

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One final point. Why is it that some many of these companies are signing with CMRC, ARBA.. etc, and not those "database companies who are going to rule the roost"??

What's wrong with that picture? If B2B is so "easy" to install in-house, why the hell are these major corporations out-sourcing this operation?

You may think your argument has merit, but each and every contract that CMRC signs undermines your claim in a manner that much truly annoy an "open sourcerer" like yourself.

Regards,

Ron
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