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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!!

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To: Neocon who wrote (79953)5/25/2000 1:13:00 PM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) of 108807
 
>Anyway, materialism means the belief that the universe is nothing but matter
(including energy) in motion, in various successive configurations<AND the Manifestations of matter- which could be consciousness- you left that out

>First, if that is so, and we are nothing but body with brain matter, there is only a
succession of events diffused throughout a system, and no central, comprehensive
point of consciousness. < That can't be "so" because you overlooked the manifestations of matter

> Second, that sense of not only being conscious of events in
front of us, but monitoring our own consciousness, would been totally unfounded, not
only because the "I" does not exist as subject, but it does not exist as object, either.< And of course this does not follow either.

>Third, as there cannot be a comprehensive "I" as spectator, so there cannot be one as
actor, and therefore there cannot be true intent, only reactions. < Since there COULD be an "I" as a manifestation of matter this doesn't make sense either- rationally. There is absolutely NO proof that there CANNOT be a comprehensive "I" as spectator arising as a manifestation of matter. You simply cannot prove there "cannot" be.

Since the first proofs fall the conclusion cannot stand:>Therefore, I infer that we live in a universe that is capable of harboring spiritual
substances, and since these spiritual substances must originate somewhere as
distinctive beings, I infer that God exists........does not compute
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