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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!!
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To: jbe who wrote (82796)6/24/2000 2:22:00 AM
From: nihil  Read Replies (1) of 108807
 
I think the basic question is whether the state should kill or should prevent a woman from having an unwanted fetus ejected. Compulsory abortion (widely practiced in China) is state ordered murder, IMO.
I think a woman's right to abort is primarily a religious question. Most liberals believe in a very high degree of personal control over one's body and children. So that some defend the right, e.g. of Jehovah's Witnesses to refuse blood transfusions for their sick child. Some medical experts argue that this can sometimes amount to murder. "Murder" is purely a legal question in the U.S. If the government says abortion is legal, then it isn't murder.
That makes the abortion issue a conflict between the state and religion. Many conservatives and religious people believe that every fertilized ovum has a right to life regardless of what the mother thinks. Even in America, the individual has no absolute right to life -- it is subject to due process of law. There are still states that make attempted suicide a crime.
Czarist Russia abolished the death penalty in the 18th century largely on Christian or Englightenment principles I guess when no one had any rights while there were hundreds of offenses in England that were subject to the death penalty.
The idea that Judaeo-Christian tradition values human life is very new. The Church murdered thousands of heretics and Muslims. Moses brags about murdering thousands of innocent children. The Bible reeks with the blood of many innocents. Jesus is the only one who seems to be innocent of these crimes, but Jehovah is not.
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