PG - Re: "Prepping is not shipping. Intel snowed them when they annouced IA-64 long ago. So far it is a no ship. No benchmarks, no production, not as fast as promised, not when promised, and as another poster usually stated MIA. Where is the links Paul? What actual benchmarks has it? When will it ship? What speed will it ship at? How much will it be?
You can get a Duron 700, a Celeron 700, a PIII at 933MHz, a Thunderbird at 950MHz, a RS/6000 (PowerPC), a PA-RISC 8900, and an Alpha UP2000 at 750MHz. But, no Itaniums. Not even a hint of one. Most software was developed on a simulator no less! It may be that although a program may run on some sample Itanium is some lab somewhere, it does not run fast or Intel would have been trumpeting the results from about everywhere. Just because someone announces something does not make it available. Intel announced the Itanium (Merced) at 800MHz and no one has publically stated that they have seen one. That includes anyone getting a sample from Intel.
If you want to show otherwise, do as you ask all others to do, show me the links! I can accredit or discount them when I see them. But until you show me that Itanium (Merced) is a decent revenue producer for Intel, it is simply a dud. It may have been great in 1998, good in 1999, but, it will be, at most, ok in 2000. If it does not come out till 2001, it will be mud. The last great new non x86 processors from Intel were also duds, i432, i860, and i960. They never did amount to much except sometimes as embedded processors (not a big revenue producer by any means). Intel has so far lived on its x86 line. It has yet to come up with a replacement. Intel has yet to come up with a server platform outside the x86 that competes with the established vendors. It has tried 3 times before and failed. With that track record, it is now for it to put up or shut up.
BTW the benchmarks are from the users cited. The page is merely a compilation of responses sent. It includes many processor families like 486s, Pentiums, PIIs, PIIIs, Celerons, Xeons, Coppermines, Williamette, Cyrix 686s, Cyrix IIIs, AMD K5, K6, Athlons K75, Alphas (all three generations), SGI (MIPS), HP (PA-RISC), HP (Motorola), and IBM (RS/6000). He started it with the Xeon 550Mhz as the base system. Hardly an AMD only site. If you want to show different, send some verifiable benchmarks in. The source is available off the Tim Wilkin's page as well as some precompiled code for the major platforms listed (If you use other than the precompiled versions, you must state what compiler and the applicable switches used). If it does not get up there, show it here and we can see if it is real or not.
Celeron 700 has 8 listings in Pricewatch while Duron 700 has 9 listings available now! I say that the Duron 700 is currently out shipping the Celeron 700. At least the shopping networks are not shy on saying how many were ordered, not so from any retail source. AMD has at least the last announced chips, the 533MHz and 550MHz K6-2+, being sold before they were announced! I have yet to see a single 1GHz PIII on Pricewatch. There are less 933MHz PIIIs listed than 1GHz Athlons and an analyst has stated that Athlons out ship PIII 12 to 1 at 1GHz and 3 to 1 at or above 900MHz. Intel has not refuted that claim. The "Flood" of high MHz Coppermines has failed to show up over 9 months after it was claimed to be coming. Now maybe 100K will show in Q3 (I hardly call that a wetting much less a flood)."
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Paul |
