Schansinger: It's a combination of both. Individual companies' circumstances are being exacerbated by an increasingly difficult macroeconomic environment. The tendency is always to dismiss each warning as a company-specific one -- bad management, product cycle difficulties, etc. -- but when you start to see disappointments manifest themselves across industries, one has to start to look at the bigger picture.
I don't want to blow this out of proportion -- conditions are generally good, and the economy is good. But we're going through a pretty significant adjustment process. Think about where we were six months ago: We had high stock prices, strong economic growth, rising profit margins and terrific earnings. A lot of that has changed. Oil prices and labor costs are causing pressure. I read today that HMO prices to corporate customers are going up. Earnings growth is slowing, and prices and valuations are going to have to come back a bit. Everyone always says that a rising tide lifts all boats; well, a falling tide exposes some pretty serious shortcomings.
One thing that's pretty interesting is that September, in particular, seems to have fallen off a cliff for a lot of these companies -- Eastman Kodak, Rockwell International (ROK:NYSE - news), priceline.com. Something's going on there.
Hobson: So what does this all imply for the fourth quarter? Are the estimates that are out there too rosy?
Schansinger: Yes. You can look at it from the top down or the bottom up [from the point of view of equity strategists or sector equity analysts]. From the top down, the strategists seem to have more of this [negative stuff] factored in. But when you look at it from the bottom up, there are still some pretty fancy numbers out there. Estimates both for the fourth quarter and next year still have further to go on the down side. The bias for stock prices is lower.
Again, I don't want to give a terribly negative outlook. The economy is still reasonably good, and corporate profits are growing at a reasonable rate. But expectations and valuations got way too high. We need to downshift to a slower growth, hopefully more sustainable growth scenario.
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