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To: michael97123 who wrote (38970)	10/30/2000 7:27:35 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) of 70976

OT If men bore children we would want to make this decision too. Sometimes we must just trust the judgement of our mothers, wives, sisters and daughters. In my family this is the one issue that all the women of all generations agree on. Perhaps they know something intuitively that we dont. Your pro-choice argument is 100% correct if you start with the pro-choice assumption that there is no one else's rights involved besides the mother's. But if you start with that assumption then you don't even have to make the argument. If you believe that a fetus is an unborn child and deserving of rights then such decisions should not be decided only by women. If you believe a fetus has no rights then again such decisions should not be made by women in general but only by the specific woman involved. As for listening to the judgement of our female relatives, most of mine are pro-life (2 of my 6 sisters are pro-choice). Overall women are slightly more pro-choice then men but not as much as many people think. Women tend to care more about this issue but they care strongly on both sides of it. I do get how important and basic an issue this is to pro-choice women, but it is also an important and basic issue to pro-life women (and men). As for the "If men bore children..." argument, I can not speak for men in general but I can say that it would not change my mind on this issue. I think those who say "If men bore children there would not even be a debate", are wrong and I don't tend to place to much value on arguments based on total fantasy any way. This is very off topic. If someone wants to continue this conversation I suggest we either take it to private messages or one of the coffee talk message threads. Abortion is not only very off topic, but it tends to inspire a lot of arguments that can go on for some time. I do intend this to be my last post about it on this thread so as not to unbearably clog this thread up with such off topic messages. Tim

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