Thanx Steve: now I need to look to see what kind of premium they are getting on options, I will likly just buy puts, but in some cases if the shares are available, and calls rates are cheaper I may buy the calls and short the stock. The more I look at this last rally, the more hot air I see in it. It's not just the EPs rates The most of the mutaul funds have never really recovered from last summers sell off, many have margined out to keep the stocks high, as not to would cause an even worse fall in their NAVS, in so doing they are paying interest on the Margins, and it's slowly eating at thier base..this last rally could be the top, I'm likly going to mostly cash this coming week..will be looking very hard, I have so far this week end checked out 42 of the 147 mutual funds that I'm tracking in my data base, of that 42 only 6 are better off than they were last June, the resent gains have not brought them back up..in spite of what looks like a bull market, it's been a narrow run up in the large caps, and not a broad based thing..to many of the funds are still down if you get the real numbers..how could we have such a bull market and so many of them lose money ? The monster is eating up more profits than it is generating, people keep putting retirement money in the funds and that has helped them hold on, but of the money put in last year none of it has really grown, she is capped out. Only the people who went in this last month are ahead, and I doubt they stay that way for long if they stay in..on the surface she looks healthy, but under the surface the Navs are mostly below what they were this time last year, and the stocks were not near as high..this adds up to leverage, as the leveraged part is like a minus on the entry from stocks held, on margin..the margin rate would not concern me if the actual Navs had shown an improvement from last year..and in the broard sence they don't, in effect we have not recovered from last July's sell off, it's still with us , we put a bandaid on it, and the bandaid is wearing thin and I think the bleeding could start again with the slightest bunp. I'v not conculded my investigation, but what I'v seen so far does not look good. This is not from anything I'v read but my own tracking of the fund NAVS..using the base of last Junes NAVS as a yardstick..they look sick. For more of what I'v found click on my name and read the recent stuff I posted in value investing. Jim |