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Politics : Should God be replaced?

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To: Greg or e who wrote (4110)12/5/2000 3:48:38 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (3) of 28931
 
HELL HELL HELL

Hell is a very bad place. It is a furnace; It is a lake of fire. People are able to hear and see in Hell, in spite of being cooked. They have their teeth and larynx, so one presumes the whole physical package is there. They weep continuously and they grind their teeth in agony. They can see the people in heaven enjoying themselves doing something or other, and this adds to their suffering. If their nerve endings are burnt out they must grow back because the agony never ever ends. This goes on forever, and it is God's way of punishing them for believing in different religions, or for just believing that they wished to follow a higher standard of behaviour than the ugly stories they had read in the bible.

It doesn't matter how compassionate they had lived or how much comfort and joy they had brought to others, or how gentle was their spirit. God has only one type of punishment.

Many serial killers will be in heaven, as they are notorious for getting to know Jesus after they have been caught. They destroyed the lives of people that may have turned to Christ, if they hadn't had their hearts stopped by these vicious animals. But the vicious animals will be in heaven. And you know what: That is precisely where the bastards belong...with the God that enjoys torture and suffering even more than they did. How appropriate.

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Comment: A person that truly believes in Jesus must believe in a Hell
for all unbelievers, because Hell was one of Jesus' core teachings.
Compared to the Old Testament, where "sinners" end their existence when
they die, the New Testament has the "sinner" suffer in psychological and
physical agony for all eternity. The New Testament is infinitely more
monstrous than the Old Testament.
Hell negates the concept of the supposed God of Love of the Bible.
The biblical concept of an eternal hell is a mental poison for those that believe it.
The amount of harm this evil concept has done to people in history is almost
beyond comprehension. A loving God of the Universe could not be so evil.
Hell is one more piece of evidence against the Bible being a message to mankind
by a God of the Universe. Hell is a moral absurdity.

The biblical Hell alone is all that's necessary to persuade anyone not to believe
the Bible is divine.

However, in the hands of tyrants, Hell is the ultimate stick, Heaven is the ultimate carrot.

A few comments about Hell mentioned to me by Believers:
- The Hell in the Bible is about Hell after death.
- Without Hell, the "why" behind so much pain will never be resolved.
- Without Hell, there is ultimately no justice or fairness.
- For God to be God, for Heaven to be Heaven, there must be a Hell.
- We all deserve Hell, even the best of us (Rom. 3: 10-12). Because
we merit Hell, the Hell-on-earth we suffer is fair. Suffering on earth is a foretaste
of the real Hell after death. God is fair to start Hell in this life.
- A person that does good things, but not for the cause of Jesus is deserving of
eternal Hell fire.
- Any individual sin may seem small, but because it is against an infinitely Holy
and Gracious God, it is infinitely heinous, therefore deserves infinite punishment.
- Human suffering in this life is merely the splashover from Hell to remind
believers of the Hell they are being saved from.
- A heaven to be reached, a Hell to be avoided.
- The trials of life make us more like Christ. Twenty minutes of Heaven will
make up for all the suffering on earth.
- A horribly suffering Christian must think of "Good" unbelievers will suffer
infinitely more than they in the future. So it is urgent that the "Good" unbeliever
be saved.
- Unless God is lying about Heaven, Hell lasts forever.
- A person in Hell will never know relief.
- People who have been in Hell for thousands of years are not a day closer to
the end of their sentence then when they entered.

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Some of the verses about Hell in the Bible:

Mt 25:46

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Mt 25:40

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mt 13:41 - 43

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Re 14:10 - 11

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Re 20:15

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Re 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

(Being in Hell is being in an eternal fire.
Hell was made for the devil, but people will be in it.)

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Re 6:16 - 17

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Re 20:9 - 10

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Re 1:18

I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

(God runs Hell, not Satan)

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Joh 5:28 - 29

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Lu 12:5

But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

(The unbelieving dead will be raised, so that they can be condemned)

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Mt 8:12

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mt 10:28

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mt 13:49 - 50

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

(Hell is spiritually and psychologically unbearable for both soul and body)

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Mr 9:43 - 47

And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Mt 24:50 - 51

The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for [him], and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mt 5:29 - 30

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Mt 18:7 - 9

Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast [them] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

(It is better to be maimed in this life then to end up in Hell)

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Mt 5:22

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Mt 23:15

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Mt 23:33

[Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

(Some of the people that will go to the Fires of Hell)

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Lu 16:22 - 26

And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence.

Lu 13:27 - 28

But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out.

(People in Hell can see (and hear) the people in Heaven and vice versa.
People in Hell can see people in Heaven enjoying themselves.
People in heaven can see the people in Hell suffering )
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