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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank

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To: Dayuhan who wrote (4620)2/3/2001 7:44:01 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) of 82486
 
I think you need to understand here that your seeing something as truth does not make it truth.

I agree with that much. It is either true or it is not, My opinion could possibly be incorrect. I do not claim to be infallible, and I also do not claim that the truth about something is decided based on my opinion. My beliving it is true does not make it true.

Truth is simply that which can be demonstrated to be true.

I disagree. I think things are true even if they can not be demonstrated. Some things are true even if they can not be demonstrated. I think you would even agree to this if it is only something that can not be demonstated yet. For example if I make the statement that there is a small planet around a particular star 200 light years from here. Presumably it will some day be possible for us to actually check the truth of that statement. But it is either true or false now, even though we can not know it for sure. I would extend this beyong physical tangible things. I understand that you would probably not.

If you maintain that truth is simply that which can be demonstrated to be true, then I would ask you to demonstrate the truth of that statement. If you can not then how can you hold that it is true? If you can not even believe that it is true yourself then why should I believe the statement when you make it?

"Rape is wrong" is not a statement of truth. It is a statement of perception, one on which most of us agree. We cannot prove the truth of that statement because "wrong" is a perception-based judgment not susceptible to proof.

For me it is a statement that I believe to be true. It may not be susceptible to to proof but you have not proven that then something can not be true unless it can be proven.

Tim
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