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To: Solon who wrote (5255)	2/9/2001 12:44:45 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) of 82486

WE might be talking in circles: I am not. Neither am I. I expect that your philosophy is as coherent to you as mine is to me. We're just not understanding each other. I have said from the beginning of this discussion that I don't understand what you are saying. That situation has not changed with further posting. Karen, don't make me repost your stuff. I wouldn't dream of it, nor will I go back and repost my stuff, either. If this is a quest for understanding rather than a gotcha, then there is no point is going back and proving who said what. If you think I'm contradicting myself, there are lots of possible explanations for that, not all of which imply inconsistency on my part. I think a different use of terminology is the most likely culprit. Does an audit trail of how we arrived at our lack of understanding really matter? Karen, you are stamping your feet instead of thinking. That is not the way to reach consensus. A RIGHT is not immunity to FORCE, POWER, or IMMORALITY. Neither is a "right". I'm not stamping my feet. I'm simply repeating that I don't understand and trying to get refocused on the essence of the disagreement, which I think is about the source of rights. I don't know that we disagree about anything else. Or maybe we do. Perhaps we could start by agreeing (consistent with the fine art of consensus building) on what we disagree about... I disagree that rights are not about immunity to force or power. Immunity to force or power is included in my sense of what rights are. We evidently don't define rights the same. Perhaps we could start with freedom. We may be in tune on that. To me a right is a freedom that is guaranteed. Karen

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