Wow ! Does it get any easier than this? When I read X's impassioned plea for Human rights I nearly spit my coffee all over my computer.
From 5622 from Greg, to Karen
"those who take the position that there is no ultimate morality because there is no God, are stuck in the unenviable position of being unable to denounce anything, no matter how heinous, because to do so, would repudiate their own philosophical position. Of course they only do that when backed into a corner, as you saw with X. Five minutes latter they are back to denouncing this that and the other thing, as "Wrong". When pressed, they will start to argue about what the meaning of is is." Greg
From X, 5559 ROFL
I don't have a problem with slavery in a society that wants to have it.
I don't like it personally- but societies certainly have the ability to have slavery if it
works.
My response only seems circular to you because you do not understand it.
There is no right and wrong. There is no absolute morality. Morality is whatever society
says it is. Murder is whatever society says it is. I happen to personally like the logic of
birth as a cutoff. But society COULD define all abortions as murder. And that would
then be murder. I would think it was impractical and silly- but my opinion wouldn't
matter if the majority decided to change enough laws in this country to make it happen.
The unborn are human tissue. I don't know whether they are human beings- since that
totally depends on how you define "being". I would argue that because society is a
contract a society can do whatever it wants- and other countries should not intervene in
a military fashion. So to have an internal holocaust (or civil war) is the sovereign
right of a country. You may not like that I think that- but it is completely rational,
totally non-circular, and completely consistent. Three things your tissue of beliefs and
superstitions are not.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.
From X, 5759, "I hope you work for and contribute to amnesty international. Our family has been
involved with amnesty international since I was a child. I wrote letters for them when I was in
elementary school.
China is pursuing many policies that I consider morally repugnant. I do everything I can to
express my personal outrage with these policies."
Everybody knows that the Chinese people are just "Human tissue" "So to have an internal
holocaust (or civil war) is the sovereign right of a country." Why can't the Chinese government just redefine the meaning of Human, to exclude anyone they decide to kill. After all, that is precisely what we have done to the unborn. My reference to the Clintonian weasel words,(what the meaning of is ,is.)had nothing to do with Clinton, rather it was to demonstrate a tactic that is often used by people who know what they are doing is wrong,(abortion)if it were done to another human being. Weasel words like "choice" and "tissue" and "clumps of cells" are incorporated in order to deflect attention away from what is really happening. Abortion on demand is the unwarranted and painful killing of another human being. It's wrong in China and it's wrong in the good old USA. How we can be so sanctimonious and smug is beyond my comprehension.
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