I am not talking about abortion. I am talking about RIGHTS; In particular the RIGHT to be left alone, the RIGHT to ones own thoughts, and the RIGHT to ones own body.
Abortion is a value judgement. It can be moral or immoral. People seldom use their RIGHTS in the optimum way; They fail to seek value--they abuse their bodies. They KILL themselves prematurely...but this is their RIGHT.
Yes, I support the RIGHT to PBA. And do you understand that that is different than favoring, as you put it?
Do you wish to start fudging RIGHTS, and make it totally a numbers game--or a dice game of snakes and ladders? Do you wish the losers of these games to assist in their own burial, as reason is murdered and bulldozed over with the garbage of mindlessness? Do the concepts of life and freedom have no inherent value to you?
If this is the case, then how dare you object when they come with machetes to take out your family; Because, don't you know; Without REASON as the supreme tool of value--you are only as innocent as the amount of ammunition you can carry.
So you decide that you can enter a woman's body without permission to operate on a foetus; Or you commandeer her body to prevent her taking any substance that might affect the foetus from developing into a human person. Then one day you are told that 25% of all abortions are miscarried. You recognize that much of this is caused by improper habits of eating, drinking, smoking, as well as the stresses of poverty, guilt, fear, etc. You decide (you have already decided it is your "right") to have all pregnant women locked in a pregnant women's compound to protect the RIGHTS to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that you belive are the inalienable RIGHTS of all fertilized eggs (as you have said--from the moment of conception).
This, of course, is not enough; You must also control their sexual behaviour, and have someone from the State present during all occasions of sexual intercourse. You find out that IUD's work by flushing the ovum out of the F Tube preventing it from attaching itself to the uteral lining. You deal with this. As well--You make oral sex a crime once again, and you reassert the penalties of the church for this murder of the human that God is attempting to make.
Do you understand that when you ignore the RIGHT to ones body, you open the door to all these things: to slavery, to torture, to anything? Do you appreciate that when you abandon reason, you embrace mindless power?
I have not been talking about abortion, Greg. I am talking about RIGHTS. I am sure that most mothers value their embryos. But it is their choice, under their circumstances, to make an ethical and pragmatic decision. Do you really think that doctors who agree to assist a women having carried her foetus into the third trimester, are frivolous about the ghastly procedure? Of course, not. These procedures are done to save the life of the woman or to remove a dead or very damaged foetus; In some rare cases for the mental health of a (usually teen-aged) girl in denial and perhaps suicidal. Of course, both sides of this issue invent outrageous lies to make their points, so you will hear from your church or action group--whatever lies they are pushing. For the lies and biases of the other side, you need to get the material of the other side.
I am happy that people like yourself raise their voices and make their points. We all need to be reminded that compassion is what puts the human in human beings, and respect for life in any form should be taught from square one. But there can be no respect for life without respecting reason and RIGHTS.
What is the difference between 7 minutes before birth and 7 minutes after? Well, certainly not as much as 7 months before birth, or seven years, or seven centuries. Once the foetus leaves the mother's body, and becomes a distinct and separate human person, we call it BIRTH. We say that a separate individual has come into existence. We call it being BORN. It happened to you; It happened to me. Almost all human eggs, and almost all human sperm, do not get to become human persons--to not get to be BORN. They have life--just as your hair and your skin has life--and the DNA is human. With modern techniques your skin has the potential to become millions of human beings. The potential: Everything that is not in the present is potential. IS NOT does not equal IS.
I am surprized that you would insist that a human person begins at conception. This is not what society believes. Although this has sometimes been the position of the church, it was more commonly thought (by those who believed in a soul) that the first trimester was a vegetable soul, and the human soul was only formed when the foetus became animated usually synonymous with quickening. Other Christian beliefs used human appearance (limbs, digits, etc.) As an indication of a soul. Plato believed the embryo and soul were formed in the earth. This was a common belief shared by your psalmist (supposedly David, wasn't it?). How many married and unmarried women did he get pregnant?
Greg, your values are far too righteous for the group you profess devotion to. How do you take moral stands before your peers, when the God you follow killed 70,000 people (many of them infants, and many of them pregnant women carrying potential persons)--just to punish David for counting the people in a census...to punish DAVID--who had no more feeling for people than a cat has for a mouse. Oh well, carry on.
Oh, BTW, most of the bible is pro abortion--even leaving aside God's orders to kill foetuses, and so forth. Would you like to share with us what gives you the RIGHT to think for yourself, and to go against the majestic thought of these primitive humans who believed that water was held in the sky by the firmament, and that the windows of heaven were what allowed the rain water to come through?? |
